Arcia Extended

striker42 said:
The complex systems all predict his offense to be below average and his defense to be very good. They seem to be a bit skewed by the fact that Arcia was a much better defender early in his career.

But Arcia's defense has eroded big time. He's nowhere near the defender he was when he first came up. He's been below average the last couple of years. If he's below average both offensively and defensively, it's unlikely he'll reach his WAR predictions.

Maybe he turns it around. Maybe he suddenly becomes a better hitter or fielder. But there's not much reason to believe he's a guaranteed 1 WAR.

But also, why would we be happy with 1 WAR? That would rank as the worst starting SS in the majors last year.
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Because his contract would have surplus value and when you a loaded and rapidly increasing expensive roster having someone like Arcia to hold the fort for 2-3 years while you hope to develop another young player is very valuable.
 
thethe said:
Because his contract would have surplus value and when you a loaded and rapidly increasing expensive roster having someone like Arcia to hold the fort for 2-3 years while you hope to develop another young player is very valuable.
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If we have a 1 WAR starting SS, no one should be excited about his contract having surplus value. The opportunity cost of starting a 1 WAR SS outweighs the surplus value.

If we think Arcia is a 1-1.5 WAR starting SS, we need to be desperately searching for a replacement.

Honestly, AA needs to be focusing all his efforts on upgrading SS and LF.
 
striker42 said:
If we have a 1 WAR starting SS, no one should be excited about his contract having surplus value. The opportunity cost of starting a 1 WAR SS outweighs the surplus value.

If we think Arcia is a 1-1.5 WAR starting SS, we need to be desperately searching for a replacement.

Honestly, AA needs to be focusing all his efforts on upgrading SS and LF.
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With what resources?
 
thethe said:
With what resources?
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If AA painted himself into a corner such that we have to stick with the worst starting SS in terms of WAR in the majors, then that's a pretty big failure by AA.

Arcia is a bench guy. He's getting paid like a bench guy, he has the tools of a bench guy, he's show he's a bench guy. He should never have been considered a legitimate option to start.
 
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If he is really not good, then he won’t last long and will be replaced. If he can be solid, even for a few weeks or months, then he has helped. Starting the year at SS says almost nothing about where he will be, and who will be playing there in a few months.

Some of you guys act like the opening day roster is locked in for the season, but we all know that the roster will turnover regularly throughout the year.
 
I actually trust AA to fix the SS issue. He's shown before the willingness to admit when his plan wasn't right and fix the problem on the fly. I was all over AA about the pen one year and he did some dazzling moves to shore it up.

There are just some who seem to think Arcia could be a legitimate starter and fill the role for a couple years. Arcia shouldn't be seen as anything other than an emergency stopgap measure when Grissom wasn't ready defensively like the Braves had hoped. I doubt AA let's Arcia man SS more than a couple months.
 
striker42 said:
If AA painted himself into a corner such that we have to stick with the worst starting SS in terms of WAR in the majors, then that's a pretty big failure by AA.

Arcia is a bench guy. He's getting paid like a bench guy, he has the tools of a bench guy, he's show he's a bench guy. He should never have been considered a legitimate option to start.
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The corner of having a ridiculously young talented roster that is locked up for the next 5-8 years?

What is your expectation on how many good players that one team can have within the imposed framework of ownership?

We are about to have a MASSIVE hole in our rotation after this season and you’re worried that we don’t have a 3 WAR SS but have to settle for an above replacement level one at a bargain deal?
 
I can remember the days of having to call up a zero stick no name to play SS when the injury bug hit.

This is not that.
 
thethe said:
The corner of having a ridiculously young talented roster that is locked up for the next 5-8 years?

What is your expectation on how many good players that one team can have within the imposed framework of ownership?

We are about to have a MASSIVE hole in our rotation after this season and you’re worried that we don’t have a 3 WAR SS but have to settle for an above replacement level one at a bargain deal?
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What is our massive hole outside of CY’s mom
 
CyYoung31 said:
Arcia is going to be your new Estrada, isn’t he?
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He's the new Anderson. Notice he was silent for all of 2021 on Anderson when he was pitching well. He struggles in 2022 and he jumps up and down again "See, I told you!!!!"

He will be the same if Shewmake comes up and has success. He'll bash him and claim he isn't an everyday player even if he's hitting .300 with a .375 OBP and an .850 OPS.
 
Carp said:
He's the new Anderson. Notice he was silent for all of 2021 on Anderson when he was pitching well. He struggles in 2022 and he jumps up and down again "See, I told you!!!!"

He will be the same if Shewmake comes up and has success. He'll bash him and claim he isn't an everyday player even if he's hitting .300 with a .375 OBP and an .850 OPS.
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I wasn't silent on Anderson, I was wanting him to figure out a third pitch and worried what would happen if he didn't.

In any event, Anderson's control was markedly better his first year and a half or so. He's now regressed back to his minor league norm of below average control. That was my big reservation about Anderson coming up. He's not a guy who can walk 4 per 9 and be effective. Not with 2 pitches.

But Arcia is temporary. There's a reason he's getting paid like a utility infielder and not a starting SS.
 
striker42 said:
I wasn't silent on Anderson, I was wanting him to figure out a third pitch and worried what would happen if he didn't.

In any event, Anderson's control was markedly better his first year and a half or so. He's now regressed back to his minor league norm of below average control. That was my big reservation about Anderson coming up. He's not a guy who can walk 4 per 9 and be effective. Not with 2 pitches.

But Arcia is temporary. There's a reason he's getting paid like a utility infielder and not a starting SS.
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You didn't say **** about Anderson the entire 2021 season. In fact you have about 2 posts in all of 2021 containing the word Anderson or Ian, compared to about 10+ posts about him in both 2020 and 2021. Funny how that happens.
 
Carp said:
You didn't say **** about Anderson the entire 2021 season. In fact you have about 2 posts in all of 2021 containing the word Anderson or Ian, compared to about 10+ posts about him in both 2020 and 2021. Funny how that happens.
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First, that's kind of creepy.

Second, this isn't a thread about Anderson so I'm not going to go into the long debates I've had on this board about him. If you want to relitigate the past, we can do it in the minor league thread from yesterday.

Back to Arcia, I'd be shocked if AA sees him as a multi-year starter. I'd be shocked if AA sees him as a starter beyond the first few months of this season.
 
It's OK for WS contenders to have mediocre players at a couple positions. That's all Arcia is...a mediocre player being paid as such. That's literally why he was acquired...to be the mediocre Plan B.
 
yep, we can win with Arcia.. What we need is the Ozuna experiment to be over. I think the 5 OF stashed in AAA could produce more than him.

And why isn't the league fining him for clobbering catchers every game. I am all about forgiving accidents.. but this is habitual.
 
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