Braves retiring #25

One of the best outfielders of all time, but idk if he is one of the best overall Braves of all time. I think he is a HoFer, but idk, I guess I have super high standards for never being able to wear a number again.

Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Cox, Murphy, Chipper, etc. absolutely.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
One of the best outfielders of all time, but idk if he is one of the best overall Braves of all time. I think he is a HoFer, but idk, I guess I have super high standards for never being able to wear a number again.

Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Cox, Murphy, Chipper, etc. absolutely.
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Andruw has the 4th highest WAR of any Braves position player behind Aaron, Matthews, and Chipper.

And he was the best player on the team while playing for the Braves.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
One of the best outfielders of all time, but idk if he is one of the best overall Braves of all time. I think he is a HoFer, but idk, I guess I have super high standards for never being able to wear a number again.

Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Cox, Murphy, Chipper, etc. absolutely.
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Druw is a HOF.. the fact he isn't in yet is another slap in the face of MLB and how they do dumb things. His WAR alone sets in that status..

On a side note, I am not a huge fan of retiring numbers worn by managers. Twit is going to have an incredible run as a manger and he did nothing to make this team better. I have always felt the same for Cox. I mean, you field a team with 5 future HOF and you better win some games. Honor him for being lucky enough to manage durning those years... but don't retire his number.
 
Long overdue. They probably felt pressured since it's looking like he will eventually end up in the hall of fame. It probably helped that he's remained around the organization since retiring.
 
NYCBrave said:
Long overdue. They probably felt pressured since it's looking like he will eventually end up in the hall of fame. It probably helped that he's remained around the organization since retiring.
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I feel the same way. I mean they gave like 10 other players #25 throughout the years. Pretty absurd but I'm like Andruw's #1 fan. lmao
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Druw is a HOF.. the fact he isn't in yet is another slap in the face of MLB and how they do dumb things. His WAR alone sets in that status..

On a side note, I am not a huge fan of retiring numbers worn by managers. Twit is going to have an incredible run as a manger and he did nothing to make this team better. I have always felt the same for Cox. I mean, you field a team with 5 future HOF and you better win some games. Honor him for being lucky enough to manage durning those years... but don't retire his number.
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I generally agree with this point but I would make an exception for Bobby. He’s one of the most beloved members of the Braves organization ever (tho I agree he was probably more lucky that good).
 
Way overdue but still great to see. His 10 year peak was unbelievable

WAR of 3.9, 7.1, 6.8, 8.0, 4.7, 6.3, 4.6, 2.9, 6.5, 5.4, and 2.8.
 
Absolutely deserves it. The fact he isn't in the hall yet is only due to elderly writers using counting stats. Should have had his jersey retired long ago.
 
chop2chip said:
I generally agree with this point but I would make an exception for Bobby. He’s one of the most beloved members of the Braves organization ever (tho I agree he was probably more lucky that good).
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Bobby also was the architect for the early 90's teams. Wasn't he the GM that drafted Chipper? I thought he also was the one that traded for Smoltz.

And if you listen to Alex Anthopoulos talk about Bobby, he gives a lot of credit to Bobby for eying some of the talent on the big league roster today before he had the stroke. AA said he learned the most from anyone in his career evaluating talent and scouting players sitting next to Bobby. Called him the best evaluator of talent he's ever worked with.
 
The Chosen One said:
Bobby also was the architect for the early 90's teams. Wasn't he the GM that drafted Chipper? I thought he also was the one that traded for Smoltz.

And if you listen to Alex Anthopoulos talk about Bobby, he gives a lot of credit to Bobby for eying some of the talent on the big league roster today before he had the stroke. AA said he learned the most from anyone in his career evaluating talent and scouting players sitting next to Bobby. Called him the best evaluator of talent he's ever worked with.
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I agree. He was. And I’ve never heard AA say that, but it’s cool to see someone like him corroborate what I’ve seen.
 
The Chosen One said:
Bobby also was the architect for the early 90's teams. Wasn't he the GM that drafted Chipper? I thought he also was the one that traded for Smoltz.

And if you listen to Alex Anthopoulos talk about Bobby, he gives a lot of credit to Bobby for eying some of the talent on the big league roster today before he had the stroke. AA said he learned the most from anyone in his career evaluating talent and scouting players sitting next to Bobby. Called him the best evaluator of talent he's ever worked with.
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I believe all that even if some of it dips into Paul Bunyan territory.

Bobby had a huge impact on the organization, especially from a culture perspective. Retiring his number is a small token to pay to cement his legacy.
 
I have never understood why it wasn't already done. But I will say he left a ton on the table by refusing to at least attempt to use the whole field at times.
 
Of course, 6 deserved to be retired. As much as I hated the predictability of his game management, not a single soul did more for the success of baseball in Atlanta. That's a mouthful considering the names that are on the alumni list.
 
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VirginiaBrave said:
not a single soul did more for the success of baseball in Atlanta
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I’d have a tough time not choosing Hank Aaron for this but Bobby would be my clear #2. I think as we see the generation of Chipper Jones fans grow up, I think he’d be #3 (I think we’re sort of experiencing that impact with how huge the fan base has become).
 
chop2chip said:
I’d have a tough time not choosing Hank Aaron for this but Bobby would be my clear #2. I think as we see the generation of Chipper Jones fans grow up, I think he’d be #3 (I think we’re sort of experiencing that impact with how huge the fan base has become).
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I don't know, Atlanta had some dark times after Hank left. What we're seeing today is largely built on the foundation Cox built 30+ years ago.
 
striker42 said:
I don't know, Atlanta had some dark times after Hank left. What we're seeing today is largely built on the foundation Cox built 30+ years ago.
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I was gonna say the same. Aaron is without a doubt Mr. Brave forever and all-time, but the path to winning was instructed by Bobby. He traded for Smoltz, drafted Avery, and all the other instrumental pieces between '86 and '90. Greatest talent evaluator ever in my book.
 
The Chosen One said:
Bobby also was the architect for the early 90's teams. Wasn't he the GM that drafted Chipper? I thought he also was the one that traded for Smoltz.

And if you listen to Alex Anthopoulos talk about Bobby, he gives a lot of credit to Bobby for eying some of the talent on the big league roster today before he had the stroke. AA said he learned the most from anyone in his career evaluating talent and scouting players sitting next to Bobby. Called him the best evaluator of talent he's ever worked with.
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Cox built the foundation. Glavine, Avergy, Smoltz, Gant, Justice, Mercker, Stanton, Hunter, etc., etc. all drafted or acquired on his watch. If he had a weakness, it was in loving his guys too much. He lost almost all of Murphy's value by hanging onto him too long. Schuerholz came on board and because he came in fresh, he could put the finishing touches on what Cox and Paul Snyder had laid the groundwork. Schuerholz was no slouch, but I always thought he was the beneficiary of Turner's wallet and Cox's ability to run a ballclub once assembled.
 
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