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sturg33 said:
I'm much less concerned about the jobs part than I am about the housing, voting, and welfare part.
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How about the strain on the healthcare system?

Illegal immigration is one of the root cause issues that is leading to the demise of hte American middle class.

Edit: I see you can lump that into Welfare.

Its a MASSIVE problem that needs a real solution.
 
thethe said:
But they did take jobs of the middle class. They ARE depressing wages of the middle class.

Maybe it isn't convincing to you but its convincing to the people that are the ones getting shafted.
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which types of jobs specifically?

manufacturing, farming, truck driving, teachers, nurses, etc
 
sturg33 said:
seems like another tax to me. but I got mine and had no idea the use case for it. I suppose I can drive over the border of Mexico and Canada with it instead of a passport. oh which I have done one time in my life
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Yup. My drivers license is not real ID so I would need to renew my drivers license early and pay the extra cost for a real ID if I wanted to use that to fly once the cutover starts. I have a passport luckily so I should be able to get away with waiting.
 
sturg33 said:
they did it at the federal level.

but Biden couldn't tell my company to fire me, thankfully.

glad you're willing to give him the approval to do so
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That is not what this bill is doing and conflating the two is a talking point of the special interest groups (not saying you are one of them).
 
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Any reasonable person is aware of this - The fact that so many accepted the results of 2020 and to this day pretend it wasn't stolen is laughable.
 
thethe said:
But they did take jobs of the middle class. They ARE depressing wages of the middle class.

Maybe it isn't convincing to you but it’s convincing to the people that are the ones getting shafted.
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Maybe this is true, especially for below middle class workers. (I would like to see your work/data how middle class wages are suppressed by illegal immigration).

Illegal immigration definitely results in the COST of housing, food, etc. being significantly lower which I have a suspicion disproportionately benefits to the middle class. Unless you think there’s a long line of people waiting to work construction, farming, or truck driving jobs.
 
chop2chip said:
Maybe this is true, especially for below middle class workers. (I would like to see your work/data how middle class wages are suppressed by illegal immigration).

Illegal immigration definitely results in the COST of housing, food, etc. being significantly lower which I have a suspicion disproportionately benefits to the middle class. Unless you think there’s a long line of people waiting to work construction, farming, or truck driving jobs.
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The idea of nobody willing to do these jobs is after decades of manipulation of the labor markets to push American workers away. So yes - It would take a longer runway to 'fix' the issue and we wouldn't have a 100% efficient system while higher costs will be transferred to the end customer.

Illegal immigration is causing a higher demand on housing (while theoretically reducing the costs of construction) but as we have seen the overal demand of housing has led to massive increases (and of course inflation) so I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that they reduce costs.

What illegal immigration certianly does is increase health care costs and reduced the quality of education American children are getting.
 
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thethe said:
The idea of nobody willing to do these jobs is after decades of manipulation of the labor markets to push American workers away.

Illegal immigration is causing a higher demand on housing (while theoretically reducing the costs of construction) but as we have seen the overal demand of housing has led to massive increases (and of course inflation) so I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that they reduce costs.

What illegal immigration certianly does is increase health care costs and reduced the quality of education American children are getting.
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Cost of construction are based on global material supply costs and cost of labor. Cost of labor goes up because your labor pool significantly shrinks (even if there are magically a line of Americans waiting to work these jobs). Less housing demand in the US just means more housing demand in other countries. Supply costs will reflect that.

Healthcare in this country is fundamentally broken so you won’t get an argument from me there.
 
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Trump attorney Joe Tacopina approached and shook hands with the other side. He congratulated and hugged attorney Roberta Kaplan and shook E. Jean Carroll’s hand.

By all accounts Tacopina is a very talented lawyer who did the best he could. Classy of him to congratulate opposing counsel and shake Ms. Carroll's hand.
 
“I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHO THIS WOMAN IS. THIS VERDICT IS A DISGRACE — A CONTINUATION OF THE GREATEST WITCH HUNT OF ALL TIME!”

a less classy but entirely characteristic response...it has been obvious for a very long time now that he is a serial sexual predator
 
3/4 the posters here will vote for him because some guy in the Netherlands wears a dress.
And some poor people requre assistance
 
chop2chip said:
Illegal immigration and employment is the reddest of herrings. You are fixing a problem that’s becoming less and less pervasive. AI is clearly the biggest threat to middle class jobs. The scale of the two isn’t comparable
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I’ve said for a whole that lower level employees are about to get a rude awakening. The amount of work that an able and creative person can do now in corporate America with the tools available is staggering.
 
Even for the past couple (pre AI) generations, it is likely that more lower-skilled jobs have been lost to technology than to China or immigrants or outsourcing. AI is but the latest of a long string of labor-saving technological innovations. Not a new thang in the least. And a process that can't be stopped and is ultimately good for most of us. The relevant policy question is how to provide new opportunities/compensation for those displaced by this process.

If past is prologue the low-skill low-wage jobs will become ever more concentrated in the food service, personal services and hospitality sectors. Many jobs and careers in those sectors are actually quite good.
 
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