Trump Indictment Watch

Btw I am loving this Lake Trial.


Karens attorney - "Why did you want to be an election worker"


Karen's star witness bursts into tears. lolololol
 
cajunrevenge said:
Try again buddy. Theres a long list of changes to voting that Republicans have done to get their desired result. Currently they are trying and succeding at getting voter centers away from universities. You really naive enough to think thats not about who they vote for?
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Are you really naïve enough to think Dems don't use similar tactics? Why aren't you harping on ballot harvesting, which is a tactic almost primarily prevalent in Dem ran states?
 
Do you have some examples of Democrats trying to make voting harder in Republican areas? Politics is a dirty business. The Democrats know they benefit from more people voting and Republicans know more voters is bad for them. I dont doubt that Democrats motives for wanting the to make it easier to vote is grounded in the belief that they will benefit. But again, I dont see a group wanting more people to vote as being bad in any way. Personally I think people should give up the right to vote unless they are a net positive tax payer. The people living off the teet of others shouldnt get to vote themselves more entitlements from other peoples hard work. No one is denied the right to vote, they can turn down the entitlements and be a contributor to society and vote all they want.


“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
 
cajunrevenge said:
Do you have some examples of Democrats trying to make voting harder in Republican areas? Politics is a dirty business. The Democrats know they benefit from more people voting and Republicans know more voters is bad for them. I dont doubt that Democrats motives for wanting the to make it easier to vote is grounded in the belief that they will benefit. But again, I dont see a group wanting more people to vote as being bad in any way. Personally I think people should give up the right to vote unless they are a net positive tax payer. The people living off the teet of others shouldnt get to vote themselves more entitlements from other peoples hard work. No one is denied the right to vote, they can turn down the entitlements and be a contributor to society and vote all they want.


“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
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Democracies are terrible for freedom.

People vote with their emotions. Fear is the greatest emotion.

We saw in COVID people will gladly vote away your freedom because they're scared. That makes government's job very easy.

The less people voting, the better. Suppress the votes of the stupid
 
If we were a true and honest Democracy marijuana would be federally legal. If they are any issues that have more bipartisan support than legalization it isnt many. Its been that way for 10 years and the actual legal definition of its classification is contradictory. Theres like 30 states with medical marijuana while the government and courts uphold that it has no medicinal value........... despite there being a federal medical marijuana program thats been around for 40 years......... which was set up after one man succesfully claimed medical necessity. And to top it off the government claims they have the power to regulate marijuana that is neither sold nor crosses state lines under the Interstate Commerce clause in the constitution. It would be funny if so many lives werent being destroyed by the government refusal to accept the evidence that was quite literally shoved down their throats.


I think I am now hoping Republicans just refuse to raise the debt ceiling and everything just burns down. We are too stupid of a society to continue.
 
Crazy you don’t trust the government when it comes to weed but everything else you gobble up.

Lol- the king of irony right here folks
 
So I am required to take the opposite position on everything? Government says cigarettes cause cancer. So I am a hypocrite if I dont smoke cigarettes? Government says Nikolas Cruz shot up a high school. Should I not believe them? Government says crack is whack. Well cant trust them, better go shoot up some crack. Get a grip dude.


Quick question, you get the vaccine?
 
William Barr, who served as attorney general under Donald Trump, delivered a warning to his former boss over the federal investigation into sensitive documents found at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

“It’s very clear that he had no business having those documents,” Barr told CBS News. “He was given a long time to send them back. And they were subpoenaed.”

Dozens of classified documents were found at Mar-a-Lago last summer during an FBI search of the private club. Documents were also found at President Joe Biden’s former office and his Delaware home, as well as in the home of former Vice President Mike Pence.

But Barr said there’s a difference between Trump’s case and those of Biden and Pence.

“I’ve said all along that he wouldn’t get in trouble, probably, just for taking them, just as Biden I don’t think is going to get in trouble or Pence is not going to get in trouble,” Barr said. “The problem is what did he do after the government asked for them back and subpoenaed them? And if there’s any games being played there, he’s going to be very exposed.”

The former president not only didn’t give the documents back but has insisted he had the right to keep the classified materials.

“They become automatically declassified when I took them,” Trump said during a CNN “town hall” last week. He has also claimed he could declassify documents “even by thinking about it.”

Barr warned that the courts probably won’t agree.

“I don’t think that argument’s going to fly,” Barr told CBS News. “I don’t think the idea that, you know, he automatically — that they were somehow automatically declassified when they were put in the boxes. I don’t think that will fly.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...tp&cvid=931b070925474b0db23e3c7e61adeddd&ei=9
 
Trump and his lawyers are going by what was established by Judicial Watch vs NARA.

1) NARA assumed that Clinton had declassified the tapes. You know why? Because the tapes were at his home.

2) Judge Jackson established that the president, not NARA, determines what the president can keep.

3) Jackson also said that if the president and NARA can not come to agreement about that then NARA takes him to court, not raid his home.

All of this I'm stating is fact. The MSM has tried some BS that this doesn't pertain to Trump's case for some unknown reason but it does. It's legal precedent.
 
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Garmel said:
Trump and his lawyers are going by what was established by Judicial Watch vs NARA.

1) NARA assumed that Clinton had declassified the tapes. You know why? Because the tapes were at his home.

2) Judge Jackson established that the president, not NARA, determines what the president can keep.

3) Jackson also said that if the president and NARA can not come to agreement about that then NARA takes him to court, not raid his home.

All of this I'm stating is fact. The MSM has tried some BS that this doesn't pertain to Trump's case for some unknown reason but it does. It's legal precedent.
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Maybe you're right. Maybe Bill Barr has a better understanding of the legal situation. We'll find out.
 
With precedents judges and juries have to weigh whether the facts are similar enough to apply the precedent. If they diverge enough the precedent doesn't apply. I'm not a lawyer. But it is obvious that sometimes facts diverge enough so that a precedent will not apply.
 
nsacpi said:
Maybe you're right. Maybe Bill Barr has a better understanding of the legal situation. We'll find out.
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I haven't read all of what Barr said, but from what you posted, it looks he advised against it because it creates the opens up the possibility of an illegal activity, not that it's necessarily illegal.

Rest assured, if there is any gray area of the law, Trump will use it and the Dems will likewise try to use it against him.
 
The former president not only didn’t give the documents back but has insisted he had the right to keep the classified materials.

“They become automatically declassified when I took them,” Trump said during a CNN “town hall” last week. He has also claimed he could declassify documents “even by thinking about it.”

Barr warned that the courts probably won’t agree.

“I don’t think that argument’s going to fly,” Barr told CBS News. “I don’t think the idea that, you know, he automatically — that they were somehow automatically declassified when they were put in the boxes. I don’t think that will fly.”

i don't think the case turns on whether he declassified the documents via Vulcan mind meld...the main legal jeopardy would be the steps he took to obstruct the requests they be returned...but i'm not a lawyer...we'll see
 
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Former White House lawyer Ty Cobb believes the "feds are coming fast" for Donald Trump, predicting that the investigation into the former president's alleged mishandling of classified documents will land him in prison.

Cobb, a former U.S. assistant attorney and member of the Trump legal team between July 2017 and May 2018, told CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday that a plethora of evidence exists to convict the former president. Trump, who is being investigated by special counsel Jack Smith, has maintained his innocence in this and all other current investigations into alleged criminal wrongdoing.

"I would not necessarily expand the case to try to prove the Espionage Act piece of it because there is so much evidence of guilty knowledge on the espionage piece that all they really have to do is show that Trump moved these documents at various times when DOJ was either demanding them or actually present, that he filed falsely with the Justice Department, had his lawyers file falsely with the Justice Department, an affidavit to the effect that none existed—which was shattered by the documents that they then discovered after the search—and the many other misrepresentations that he and others have made on his behalf with regard to his possession of classified documents," Cobb said.

It's a "tight case" and Trump "will go to jail" because of it, Cobb said, adding that he believes it is ready for prosecution and requires no broader scope because Trump is continually "lying" about the law.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...p&cvid=6f85f960dc7c408e89c272226f08907b&ei=12
 
Carp said:
Are you really naïve enough to think Dems don't use similar tactics? Why aren't you harping on ballot harvesting, which is a tactic almost primarily prevalent in Dem ran states?
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No, Dems do not try to oppress voting. They operate on the belief that the more people who vote, the better for the country.
 
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The very same Republicans who banned a book about

seahorses because it was “too racy” for kids want someone

who brags about sexual assault to be president.
 
nsacpi said:
Former White House lawyer Ty Cobb believes the "feds are coming fast" for Donald Trump, predicting that the investigation into the former president's alleged mishandling of classified documents will land him in prison.

Cobb, a former U.S. assistant attorney and member of the Trump legal team between July 2017 and May 2018, told CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday that a plethora of evidence exists to convict the former president. Trump, who is being investigated by special counsel Jack Smith, has maintained his innocence in this and all other current investigations into alleged criminal wrongdoing.

"I would not necessarily expand the case to try to prove the Espionage Act piece of it because there is so much evidence of guilty knowledge on the espionage piece that all they really have to do is show that Trump moved these documents at various times when DOJ was either demanding them or actually present, that he filed falsely with the Justice Department, had his lawyers file falsely with the Justice Department, an affidavit to the effect that none existed—which was shattered by the documents that they then discovered after the search—and the many other misrepresentations that he and others have made on his behalf with regard to his possession of classified documents," Cobb said.

It's a "tight case" and Trump "will go to jail" because of it, Cobb said, adding that he believes it is ready for prosecution and requires no broader scope because Trump is continually "lying" about the law.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...p&cvid=6f85f960dc7c408e89c272226f08907b&ei=12
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As the old saying goes its not the crime it's the cover-up that gets them.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Sure it has legal precedent if you remove all context you don't like. Which is what you do to everything.
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It's actually the same thing. Trump gets in legal trouble for doing the exact same things democrats have done legally in the past. If Trump was a democrat absolutely none of this happens.

Just like the Russian Collusion investigation all of this is a politicized hitjob to hurt Trump's election chances. Why do you think we constantly get these illegal leaks? These prosecutors don't care about the law, they just want to hurt Trump.
 
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