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Was there EVIDENCE! that Obama/Clinton were behind the Russian Collusion hoax in 2017-2018?

Not by Sturg standards but of course I knew better.
 
thethe said:
When stupid things get passed around like "TRUMP ABDICATED THE NATION TO FAUCHI" or "TRUMP SHOULD HAVE FIRED FAUCHI" then you also have to engage in the information warefare.
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well... those two things are true

the idea that Cuomo handled Covid better than RDS is insane.

Just another instance of Trump and Fauci agreeing
 
thethe said:
Oh I gave you evidence - But you INTERPRET the evidence differently because of your position on the matter. Thats ok.

If you think there is ever going to be EVIDENCE!!! that the murdochs paid Desantis to fracture MAGA then I'm just going to pull a Goldy....LOL.
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You gave me a piece of information. There was a publisher who published RDS' book. The same publisher published Tim Scott's book - who Trump just praised. The same publisher booked 3 of Trump's books.

That information you offered is nothing in and of itself.

If that information is the entire basis of your claim that Murdoch is paying off RDS to take down Trump... then you might as well be goldy
 
sturg33 said:
this isn't a road you want to go down
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Yes - I'd love for you to explain what hte process would have looked like if Trump tried to fire fauchi and not only opine on the liklihood it happened but what the potential fall out would have been to the nation during a time when half the population was scared ****less.

Please....CONTINUE!

After that I want you to pretend and tell me Fauchi would have not had a voice afterwards.
 
thethe said:
This is now I think the 5th time you've 'forgotten' what I've said about his foreign policy and economic policies.

Keep going bud
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So a benign statement on Ukraine and a book turned him from a fantastic choice to globalist sellout.

you change your mind as easily as Trump does!
 
thethe said:
It’s also California and New York money coming in.

For those that haven’t spent a lot of time in Florida I think they would be shocked how quickly a beautiful area turns into an area you wouldn’t want to walk around alone.
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I've spent the majority of my summers in FL. This is not true in the slightest way. Maybe Miami is that way. But I've never felt unsafe in FL. In fact, I feel more unsafe in the city I work in TN than I do in any part of FL I've visited.
 
thethe said:
Yes - I'd love for you to explain what hte process would have looked like if Trump tried to fire fauchi and not only opine on the liklihood it happened but what the potential fall out would have been to the nation during a time when half the population was scared ****less.

Please....CONTINUE!

After that I want you to pretend and tell me Fauchi would have not had a voice afterwards.
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Yes - I'd love for you to explain what hte process would have looked like if Trump tried to fire fauchi and not only opine on the liklihood it happened
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The process to "fire" Fauci is simply telling him he is no longer welcome in briefing rooms for himself or the press. He can still have his paycheck but he should have been shamed into futility. He could have done that in a day.

but what the potential fall out would have been to the nation during a time when half the population was scared ****less.
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I'm not sure I'm following your question here. Are you saying that removing Fauci from the equation would have made things worse? I.E. - Fauci was a net positive?

The fallout may have been Trump winning the election (and installed as President as well)

Please....CONTINUE!
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No problem... instead of recognizing the tyrant Fauci is... Trump praised him - endlessly. And bashed governors who began to ignore him. And then when it was re-election time - Trump's campaign bragged about how much Fauci and he agreed and got along, and how much Fauci praised him. That was shortly prior to an election that was allowed to be destroyed thanks to early and mail in voting - a consequence of Dr. Fauci's recommended lockdowns that Trump agreed to. Millions of people probably don't lose their jobs. Less people die from alcohol and drug abuse. Kids don't lose 3 years of development. And we don't have an insane inflation crisis hitting Trump's second term.

After that I want you to pretend and tell me Fauchi would have not had a voice afterwards.
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What voice? We would haven't heard from since March of 2020... and after Trump humiliated him, he would have retired before Trump's second term. He probably would have written a book that nsacpi and 3 others would buy about how Trump ignored him and made things worse
 
Carp said:
I've spent the majority of my summers in FL. This is not true in the slightest way. Maybe Miami is that way. But I've never felt unsafe in FL. In fact, I feel more unsafe in the city I work in TN than I do in any part of FL I've visited.
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Have you spent time in Fort Lauderdale?

Have you ever tried going west for 2 miles? Don't do it at nighttime thats for sure.
 
sturg33 said:
The process to "fire" Fauci is simply telling him he is no longer welcome in briefing rooms for himself or the press. He can still have his paycheck but he should have been shamed into futility. He could have done that in a day.



I'm not sure I'm following your question here. Are you saying that removing Fauci from the equation would have made things worse? I.E. - Fauci was a net positive?

The fallout may have been Trump winning the election (and installed as President as well)



No problem... instead of recognizing the tyrant Fauci is... Trump praised him - endlessly. And bashed governors who began to ignore him. And then when it was re-election time - Trump's campaign bragged about how much Fauci and he agreed and got along, and how much Fauci praised him. That was shortly prior to an election that was allowed to be destroyed thanks to early and mail in voting - a consequence of Dr. Fauci's recommended lockdowns that Trump agreed to. Millions of people probably don't lose their jobs. Less people die from alcohol and drug abuse. Kids don't lose 3 years of development. And we don't have an insane inflation crisis hitting Trump's second term.



What voice? We would haven't heard from since March of 2020... and after Trump humiliated him, he would have retired before Trump's second term. He probably would have written a book that nsacpi and 3 others would buy about how Trump ignored him and made things worse
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This is completely delusional. Do you even realize how much of hte population reveres Fauchi for his role during hte AID epidemic? If Trump 'Grounded' him (Which I'm not even saying is the wrong decision) he would have been picked up by Cuomo or Newsome or many other news agencies that would have given him hours a day. You are pretending that Trumps actions contirbuted to Fauchis prominene and its just wrong.,

I'm glad you at least realized the narrative of trump should have "fired' fauchi is silly since it would have likely not been approved and would have only raised Fauchi higher at the time.
 
thethe said:
Have you spent time in Fort Lauderdale?

Have you ever tried going west for 2 miles? Don't do it at nighttime thats for sure.
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Thats like two places in FL. Fl is a large place.

Miami is trash central.

I haven't seen much bad about FT Lauderdale.
 
thethe said:
This is completely delusional. Do you even realize how much of hte population reveres Fauchi for his role during hte AID epidemic? If Trump 'Grounded' him (Which I'm not even saying is the wrong decision) he would have been picked up by Cuomo or Newsome or many other news agencies that would have given him hours a day. You are pretending that Trumps actions contirbuted to Fauchis prominene and its just wrong.,

I'm glad you at least realized the narrative of trump should have "fired' fauchi is silly since it would have likely not been approved and would have only raised Fauchi higher at the time.
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1. Fauci is the worst person in America and Trump elevated him

2. I don't care if Cuomo or Newsom would have picked him up. They aren't the president

3. Trump should have fired Fauci

I asked you above but do you agree that Fauci was a net positive?
 
Tapate50 said:
Thats like two places in FL. Fl is a large place.

Miami is trash central.

I haven't seen much bad about FT Lauderdale.
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Ft Lauderale is absolutely stunning.

West Palm Beach and Naples are fantastic as well (Naples is older crowd).
 
sturg33 said:
1. Fauci is the worst person in America and Trump elevated him

2. I don't care if Cuomo or Newsom would have picked him up. They aren't the president

3. Trump should have fired Fauci

I asked you above but do you agree that Fauci was a net positive?
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Of course Fauchi was a disaster. That still doesn't escape the fact that he would have the same exact impact had Trump not 'elevated' him.
 
thethe said:
Benign? Oh boy.....

The heel turn is fantastic.
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The two things that turned RDS from an amazing choice for President to a globalist sellout

1.

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration’s virtual “blank check” funding of this conflict for “as long as it takes,” without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges.

Without question, peace should be the objective. The U.S. should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders. F-16s and long-range missiles should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world’s two largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable.

A policy of “regime change” in Russia (no doubt popular among the DC foreign policy interventionists) would greatly increase the stakes of the conflict, making the use of nuclear weapons more likely. Such a policy would neither stop the death and destruction of the war, nor produce a pro-American, Madisonian constitutionalist in the Kremlin. History indicates that Putin’s successor, in this hypothetical, would likely be even more ruthless. The costs to achieve such a dubious outcome could become astronomical.

The Biden administration’s policies have driven Russia into a de facto alliance with China. Because China has not and will not abide by the embargo, Russia has increased its foreign revenues while China benefits from cheaper fuel. Coupled with his intentional depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and support for the Left’s Green New Deal, Biden has further empowered Russia’s energy-dominated economy and Putin’s war machine at Americans’ expense.

Our citizens are also entitled to know how the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are being utilized in Ukraine.

We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted."
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2. He wrote a book that was published by a company that publishes tons of books, including 3 of Donald Trump's


compelling
 
thethe said:
Of course Fauchi was a disaster. That still doesn't escape the fact that he would have the same exact impact had Trump not 'elevated' him.
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Up until the last few months arguing with you, I hadn't realized how truly helpless Donald Trump was

A good reason I'll be supporting someone who isn't so helpless
 
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