Official Around Baseball 2023 Thread

Enscheff said:
Remember that time the angels were bad and instead of trading 2 months of ohtani for a boost to their farm they chose to deplete their farm even more by acquiring mlb talent to “go for it”?
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there are sports commentators still praising them for 'going for it'. I don't get the symbolic gesture that it sent. It basically said we are going to mortgage any chance of being good in the next 5 years for a 10% chance to get bounced in the first round. They need to sell off every big contract and any quality MLB'er (even with control) to completely rebuild the farm. They have to get out of this purgatory of average.
 
You can rest assure that Angels GM will be fired before the end of next season. Granted this was likely to happen whether he sold or bought, so I can't fault him for trying to save his job.

On the plus side, it looks like we might be able to get Lucas Giolito at huge discount this off-season, assuming playing on the west coast isn't a priority.
 
Carp said:
You can rest assure that Angels GM will be fired before the end of next season. Granted this was likely to happen whether he sold or bought, so I can't fault him for trying to save his job.

On the plus side, it looks like we might be able to get Lucas Giolito at huge discount this off-season, assuming playing on the west coast isn't a priority.
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Discount? Giolito isn’t good and if he doesn’t get a lot of money it’s because of that.
 
chop2chip said:
Discount? Giolito isn’t good and if he doesn’t get a lot of money it’s because of that.
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Before the deadline he was having a fine season. On pace for roughly a 4 WAR season, which would have given him two 4 WAR seasons in his last 3 seasons. I think it's safe to say he was looking at a 4-5 year deal had he continued to perform like he was in Chicago.

Now, he'll probably take a 1 year prove it type of deal to rebuild value.
 
Carp said:
Before the deadline he was having a fine season. On pace for roughly a 4 WAR season, which would have given him two 4 WAR seasons in his last 3 seasons. I think it's safe to say he was looking at a 4-5 year deal had he continued to perform like he was in Chicago.

Now, he'll probably take a 1 year prove it type of deal to rebuild value.
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I’m sure that’s how Giolito’s agent would spin it but he has a 4.62 ERA in his last 300 innings pitched.
 
Carp said:
Before the deadline he was having a fine season. On pace for roughly a 4 WAR season, which would have given him two 4 WAR seasons in his last 3 seasons. I think it's safe to say he was looking at a 4-5 year deal had he continued to perform like he was in Chicago.

Now, he'll probably take a 1 year prove it type of deal to rebuild value.
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Pitching is at such a premium that Giolito won't have much trouble finding a decent offer at going market rates (which are pretty high). Question for him (as it will be for many others) will be short-term deal with high AAV or long-term deal with lower AAV. Given he's going to be 30 by the middle of next season, my guess is he'd opt for years as long as the total package (not to be confused with wheel-chair confined Total Package Lex Lugar) netted more money.
 
We are about to how smart writers are with respect to the value of a SB in 2023 with the new rules. Base running value has always been drastically overvalued by most people, and if that holds there’s no way Acuna doesn’t win MVP.
 
Betts only has 10 SB yet trails Acuna in base running value 2.7 to 4.9. All that running and sliding into bases simply isn’t very valuable. Betts knows it, but Acuna still doesn’t.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
wait, if he retires, doesn't he lose his remaining contract. That is A LOT of money left on the table.
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With Prince Fielder I think he had some sort of injury settlement with the Rangers where he still got paid the full money but they were able to open up his spot on the 40 man. I imagine it would be similar with Strasburg
 
Enscheff said:
Betts only has 10 SB yet trails Acuna in base running value 2.7 to 4.9. All that running and sliding into bases simply isn’t very valuable. Betts knows it, but Acuna still doesn’t.
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I don't think a stat can properly measure value of base running. maybe it is the best we have right now.. but a guy being able to get to second on a walk has more value than a simple number can produce. If Acuna scores on a homer by Olson, then his baserunning doesn't improve.. but is there not some logic that a pitcher who is so focused on Acuna not stealing produced a worse pitch to Olson.

Ozzie since moving to the 2 hole has an .895 OPS versus .799 OPS every where else.. 13 homers in 2 hole versus 15 everywhere else (~50 fewer PA).. Does that really prove anything.. not really. A good counter point would be do you really have to steal a lot to make a pitcher worry about you. Everyone knows Mookie, even FF, will swipe a bag if you ignore him.. So a pitcher probably has same focus if Acuna or Mookie is standing on 1st. The Difference is a pitcher knows Acuna is going to try, where Mookie probably won't if you just pay attention to him.

conclusion, I agrued with myself and proved nothing... which is sort of my point. can you really quantify stolen bases/threat of stolen bases via a stat??

I wish I could find somewhere that shows where he lead off an inning and how many runs he scored. Sort of seeing how many times the team scores when he leads off an inning versus when he doesn't. But everywhere just shows the runs he produces (ie homer) We already know how good the team is in the first inning..
 
chop2chip said:
With Prince Fielder I think he had some sort of injury settlement with the Rangers where he still got paid the full money but they were able to open up his spot on the 40 man. I imagine it would be similar with Strasburg
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Per Feinsand, Stras is receiving his contract in full because it’s a medical retirement.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
Injuries must be too much for him to overcome. Good career with a World Series title and MVP, but there’s going to be a “what if” in regards to him.
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I guess I could see that.. he has made a ton of money and maybe he just wants to not have to rehab enough and knows he can make a bunch in broadcasting to walk from 100 million bucks. or maybe like Chop said, he some sort of retirement clause where he gets a portion or all of his remaining because they deferred so much.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
well there you go. Man sucks for the gnats.. 100 mill over the next 3 season with nothing but an open roster spot to show for it. ooof.
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He’s owed 28m per for the 3 years after that too because they deferred. It’s easily the worst contract in sports history.

He won them a WS at least.
 
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