bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I think you are spot on with Lorenzen being cooked to get that individual stat.. Luckily for them, he can transition to the pen if they make the playoffs and not be hurt long term by that.
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I think you are spot on with Lorenzen being cooked to get that individual stat.. Luckily for them, he can transition to the pen if they make the playoffs and not be hurt long term by that.
chop2chip
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I would prefer if Murphy played 3 out of 4. All I’m saying is I understand why they might be lightening his load (even if we have to fill in the blanks because no one close to the team has decided it warrants asking the team why… thanks Bowman and DOB).
I’ll gladly eat crow if Murphy is benched in the playoffs. But I really do think the smart people in this organization will come to their senses by then.
Or maybe the Derptard was the guy advocating to trade for a career reliever who hadn't thrown over 100 innings in 8 years.
Several pointed out Lorenzen was a pretty risky to bet to continue pitching like that, well over his career innings limit.
"He's better than Morton and Elder! DERP!!!!"
Lorenzen has been predictably bad. Flaherty has been worse. Our rag tag group of rookies and journeyman have been more productive than Flaherty. And I think as someone else mentioned, we are 6-5 in those games.
Don't be a derptard. Scheff was clearly correct on him.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
changing the topic to a more positive note.
What about Winans on the playoff roster. Not sure if there is room for him if Wright is back.. but Lee doesn't look the same and I am not sure if Anderson or Chavez will be ready.. McEww is most likely not. What about Winas as our last man in the pen role.. mop up take a 4th inning type guy? I really like his change and his sinker seems to play pretty well for not being a great pitch.. He throws strikes too..
What about Winans on the playoff roster. Not sure if there is room for him if Wright is back.. but Lee doesn't look the same and I am not sure if Anderson or Chavez will be ready.. McEww is most likely not. What about Winas as our last man in the pen role.. mop up take a 4th inning type guy? I really like his change and his sinker seems to play pretty well for not being a great pitch.. He throws strikes too..
msstate7
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Waldrep is gonna be our secret weapon
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I guess that is a thought.. big if true.
It wasn't the pitches in the no hitter. It was the innings pitched which I mentioned about Lorenzen at the deadline. At 31 it's his first season being a fulltime starter and he's hit a wall as predicted.
Lorenzen isn't sniffing the Phillies playoff roster and he wouldn't sniff it here either. Braves can afford to use these AAAA SPs because of the work the team has done prior to the trading deadline. Unless it was someone like Verlander or Scherzer to bump Elder/Morton out of a playoff spot then it didn't make sense for this team. This team has virtually zero holes for their playoff squad so little impact was needed at the deadline.
msstate7
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Need someone. Y'all worried about starters.... my concern is yates having to pitch the 6th inning of a playoff game
You should probably go back and look at the actual conversations. Since you obviously couldn't comprehend what was being said back then, maybe I should break down the discussion?
We were talking about guys like Stroman, Snell, EdRod, and Lorenzen, with Lorenzen being the lowest end option. We were not talking about "trash heap" guys, and I quite literally listed the xwOBA of every single pitcher of interest to show who should be considered.
If AA/Snit are managing to rest the current SPs, it stands to reason they would have also managed the load of Lorenzen once he got to Atlanta. Therefor, logic dictates Lorenzen likely wouldn't be cooked if he were wearing a Braves uniform.
So yeah, derptard, work on your reading comprehension and then work on applying that knowledge to further logical thought.
We already have Kirby Yates on the team
msstate7
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Haha, I know, and that's why I'm hoping on waldrep
Again...
Lorenzen would have been load managed in the Braves uniform.
Lorenzen was the lowest end option that made sense to acquire.
Lorenzen would have started in the playoffs in the event any of Fried/Strider/Morton/Wright weren't in top form.
These are the points I made, whether or not folks understood or remember them, and nothing you guys are now saying contradicts any of them.
It was clear when the Padres/Cubs decided not to sell that there wasn't going to be any real SPs available.
Braves losing a top SP is going to hurt the Braves' playoff chances and Lorenzen wouldn't really fix that. I feel Lorezen was already cooked with those innings baked in. A few days here and there wasn't going to change that.
I think Winans has made a decent case to be an injury replacement
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
unfortunately I think he makes the playoff roster.. and unfortunately, Twit will use him in the 5th/6th inning with the basesloaded and 2 outs up by a run... because it is the 5th/6th inning and isn't high leverage as a clean inning facing the bottom of the order in the 7th or 8th inning. That situattion requires the best of the best..
They are the same guy
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I think the Angels buying and the Tigers holding on to that one guy also crippled the market. I don't know if anyone is ever going to be right or wrong on this. The Braves are going to win the division comfortably.. they will get the #1 seed probably pretty easily.. and they will live and die by the health of Mort/Fried/Strider.. if those guys are cooked, then the Braves are cooked.... most likey I guess.. this offense can win any game pitched really.
Bolded line is definitely true, but I do think AA should have pushed harder to be the back-up plan for EdRod. Are the Braves on his no-trade list? No idea, but it seemed to be a East/West coast thing, so I think maybe not.
Completely disagree about Lorenzen being cooked at the time of the trade. He was pitching well for the Phils until the no-hitter, and hasn't been the same since. I am 99.9% certain the Braves would not have allowed that to happen, and he would have been rested just like the current SPs are being rested. We will never know for sure, but my opinion is the Phils are 100% responsible for cooking Lorenzen.