119th Congress or Red Wave In Adult Land

acesfull86 said:
I certainly don’t see eye to eye with Gaetz on everything, but in this instance, he’s absolutely right. Especially videos 2 & 3 in that thread.

Good riddance, McCarthy.
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Exactly - McCarthy like the rest of trash DC promises they will make meaningful change and then just stabs the people in the back. But McCarthy also was just trying to corral the conference together and too many elected R's don't actually care about their voters. Thats the real issue and until that is resolved nothing meaningful will ever get done.
 
Full disclosure, I haven’t followed this saga closely. Reading today, there are people whose opinions I value saying Gaetz is a self-promoting clown and this is a ****show. I don’t know how much of that is due to the perception that this harms (R) politically in some way. I’m not an (R), so I don’t care about whether or not they’re harmed. All I care about is that the budgeting and spending process and procedure in Congress matches what Gaetz said in those linked videos. Enough already with omnibus bills and 10,000 page monstrosities and continuing resolutions and managing government 45 days at a time.
 
I can see how breaking of norms would encourage people to call it a **** show. Its already a **** show in DC though.

I don't see how you can govern effectively into the future at the rate we are burning society to the ground without breaking some norms.
 
acesfull86 said:
Full disclosure, I haven’t followed this saga closely. Reading today, there are people whose opinions I value saying Gaetz is a self-promoting clown and this is a ****show. I don’t know how much of that is due to the perception that this harms (R) politically in some way. I’m not an (R), so I don’t care about whether or not they’re harmed. All I care about is that the budgeting and spending process and procedure in Congress matches what Gaetz said in those linked videos. Enough already with omnibus bills and 10,000 page monstrosities and continuing resolutions and managing government 45 days at a time.
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I'm not a R either Aces.

Unless someone actually stands up to the beast nothing will ever change in DC.
 
acesfull86 said:
Full disclosure, I haven’t followed this saga closely. Reading today, there are people whose opinions I value saying Gaetz is a self-promoting clown and this is a ****show. I don’t know how much of that is due to the perception that this harms (R) politically in some way. I’m not an (R), so I don’t care about whether or not they’re harmed. All I care about is that the budgeting and spending process and procedure in Congress matches what Gaetz said in those linked videos. Enough already with omnibus bills and 10,000 page monstrosities and continuing resolutions and managing government 45 days at a time.
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Oh I'm absolutely fine with taking out McCarthy... I was very opposed to the establishment dude when Trump was whipping votes for him. Was sad to see Trump endorse the establishment once again

So I got no issues there. My issue is the apparent lack of strategy here. Who do we get instead? I'd say it's much more likely to get worse than better... This seems like a publicity stunt more than an actual strategy of effective policy change. Hope I'm wrong. We will see
 
sturg33 said:
Oh I'm absolutely fine with taking out McCarthy... I was very opposed to the establishment dude when Trump was whipping votes for him. Was sad to see Trump endorse the establishment once again

So I got no issues there. My issue is the apparent lack of strategy here. Who do we get instead? I'd say it's much more likely to get worse than better... This seems like a publicity stunt more than an actual strategy of effective policy change. Hope I'm wrong. We will see
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Wow - Another post mentioning Trump in response to a post that had nothing to do with Trump.

Can someone say 'Cajunesque'?
 
thethe said:
Wow - Another post mentioning Trump in response to a post that had nothing to do with Trump.

Can someone say 'Cajunesque'?
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Is it reasonable to expect Trump to not keep endorsing/hiring/supporting people who turn out to be terrible?
 
thethe said:
TRUMP!

RAHHHH!!!!!
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It's a simple question. You may remember back in January there was a big fight over the speaker. People like myself opposed McCarthy... people like Trump brokered deals and applied pressure to get him the seat.

9 months later he lost that seat.

Should we not expect better judgement from the leader of the party?
 
thethe said:
Not sure what his positions on the border and Ukraine are but its better than having a speaking OF THE ****ING HOUSE IN THE UNITED STATES wearing a damn Ukraine lapel.
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I don’t think any of his positions matter because he’s not in Congress and wouldn’t have a vote - we just need someone in the seat to force these morons to do their jobs.
 
acesfull86 said:
I don’t think any of his positions matter because he’s not in Congress and wouldn’t have a vote - we just need someone in the seat to force these morons to do their jobs.
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He can take a public stand and use the power of the speakership to speak to the American people and show these gutless cowards that their commitment to fund the corruption in Ukraine is not what the American people want. But he will have to have that internal conviction and I'm not sure where he lies.

Should be better than McCarthy though as a default.
 
sturg33 said:
It's a simple question. You may remember back in January there was a big fight over the speaker. People like myself opposed McCarthy... people like Trump brokered deals and applied pressure to get him the seat.

9 months later he lost that seat.

Should we not expect better judgement from the leader of the party?
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Yes - They brokered a deal that if followed would have been tremendous for the American people. Then McCarthy proceeded to break those rules when he had the chance.

No other person would have garnered enough support at the time to be speaker but they squeezed out as much as possible. Its unfortuante that the uniparty scum in DC cares more about Ukraine and their special interests than the American People.
 
https://reason.com/2023/03/21/the-budget-battle-book/

This mad end-of-year rush has become the norm. Congress spends all year avoiding what is arguably its primary responsibility: crafting and passing a budget.

Ideally, the process moves in a thoughtful and orderly fashion over the course of a year, in what is often called "regular order." This process was codified by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, which created both the Congressional Budget Office and the modern budgeting process.

Under regular order, the president releases a budget proposal early in the year, Congress passes a budget resolution no later than mid-April, and appropriations committees draw up spending bills for a dozen or so spending categories. Each of those is debated and voted on one at a time, with enough time to read, debate, and amend the bills. All of this is supposed to happen before October 1, the beginning of the federal government's fiscal year.

Congress has not completed all of the steps in the appropriations process on time since 1996. Many years, Congress has passed no budget resolution at all. Instead, the process has become increasingly centralized, with party leadership drawing up "omnibus" spending packages that combine all the appropriations bills into a single piece of megalegislation, which lawmakers are given essentially no time to read or debate. Because the budget bill is considered must-pass legislation, it has become a Christmas tree on which to hang unrelated provisions.



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Does this really have to be so hard? Does anyone not want what’s bolded?
 
acesfull86 said:
https://reason.com/2023/03/21/the-budget-battle-book/

This mad end-of-year rush has become the norm. Congress spends all year avoiding what is arguably its primary responsibility: crafting and passing a budget.

Ideally, the process moves in a thoughtful and orderly fashion over the course of a year, in what is often called "regular order." This process was codified by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, which created both the Congressional Budget Office and the modern budgeting process.

Under regular order, the president releases a budget proposal early in the year, Congress passes a budget resolution no later than mid-April, and appropriations committees draw up spending bills for a dozen or so spending categories. Each of those is debated and voted on one at a time, with enough time to read, debate, and amend the bills. All of this is supposed to happen before October 1, the beginning of the federal government's fiscal year.

Congress has not completed all of the steps in the appropriations process on time since 1996. Many years, Congress has passed no budget resolution at all. Instead, the process has become increasingly centralized, with party leadership drawing up "omnibus" spending packages that combine all the appropriations bills into a single piece of megalegislation, which lawmakers are given essentially no time to read or debate. Because the budget bill is considered must-pass legislation, it has become a Christmas tree on which to hang unrelated provisions.



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Does this really have to be so hard? Does anyone not want what’s bolded?
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Omnibus is the way!
 
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