bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Jeter was good. He is top 10 all time in hits which means something. But he is immortalized because he played on great teams... He is overrated to be fair. but still a very very good player.
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Jeter was good. He is top 10 all time in hits which means something. But he is immortalized because he played on great teams... He is overrated to be fair. but still a very very good player.
striker42
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Jeter- 73.0 Career WAR
Chipper- 84.6 Career WAR
Chipper had a double digit lead over Jeter for their careers but I'll guarantee you that most people consider Jeter the better player.
Another player for reference:
Andruw- 67 Career WAR
Jeter only had 6 more career WAR than Andruw yet Jeter is considered one of the all time greats and Andruw can't make it into the HOF.
DirkPiggler
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If Jeter had played in Atlanta, Houston, Colorado, Milwaukee, etc. he would have gotten into the Hall, but quite possibly not on the first ballot. And he wouldn't be on half the commercials that air during MLB broadcasts nine years after his final game.
Conversely, if Andruw had spent the bulk of his career as a Yankee and put up identical numbers he would be in the HoF right now, and would probably be on all those commercials.
I get himn being overrated because of him being on the Yankees. But him not winning anything on a real team makes no sense.
Tapate50
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I think he will
Of course the casual fan would think Jeter was better than Chipper. He was the more popular player. But any hardcore fan of baseball would rank Chipper ahead of him. It's not that big of a deal either way.
striker42
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This. Jeter got 99.7% of the vote his first time on the ballot. Chipper only got something like 97%. Andruw only got 58% this year.
Jeter was deserving of the HOF. He was deserving of being in on the first ballot. But he's overrated because he played in NY.
He would be a 1st ballot HOFer. 3K hits and 70+ WAR at SS would make sure of that.
The rest is just a popularity contest stuff.
Re: Andruw. Yes, if Andruw won a couple of rings and had post season historics he likely would be in already. Whether that would be in New York or if he did it in Atlanta. That's less of a New York thing and more of a player getting bumped for what they do in the playoffs. See Jack Morris, Ortiz, etc.
cajunrevenge
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The Yankees are cheaters. Cheated their whole existence so I refuse to recognize them as legitimate. Cheating isnt just breaking the rules its manipulating the rules to give yourself a ridiculous competitive advantage then doing everything they can to maintain it. They are the Browns of MLB propped up by their payroll. Only recently has it changed and they havent won **** since.
DirkPiggler
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He probably would have deserved it with those numbers. Maybe he would have been a first ballot guy. He definitely wouldn't have gotten the percentage of votes that he did.
I think we probably make too much of how many votes a surefire hall of famer receives, but it still irks me that Riviera was the first unanimous guy. You're telling me that he deserved to get every vote, yet Aaron, Mays, Maddux, Griffey, and a host of others didn't as well? The New York bias is real.
cajunrevenge
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If any of those players played for the Yankees they would have been unanimous. Nothing with the Yankees is legitimate. I am still surprised when Jeter doesnt win a GG every year even though he is retired.
It is real. But I don't really care that Rivera got more vtes than Maddux or Griffey. Doesn't effect me in any way.
Jeter is deserved 1st ballot HOFer and one of the best SS's of all time.
lol sure
DirkPiggler
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None of it affects any of us personally, unless Andruw is lurking here somewhere.
It's just a minor annoyance.
Strike3urout
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I have not seen any evidence that shows that Giambi was safe. Posada most likely grazed his pants with the tag. Also, the throw from the right fielder was dying on the infield, so it's unlikely that it would have gotten to the plate in time.
It was a great play. But it wasn't better than Riley's play, which was more difficult athletically. Jeter's play gets the accolades because he was so far out of position. And because he's Jeter.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
He grabbed it on the first bounce. I would love to see statcast that could have measure velo and then calculated how long it would have taken to get to home versus when Jeter intervened and ball got to catcher.
I personally think a lot of folks would have a long lived narrative of the greatness of the 'flip' crushed.
Ozzie Swanson
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Elder is starting tonight.
bravesfanforlife88
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Elder starting tonight feels like a punt....today is a must win game IMO
Even with Strider on t he mound tomorrow, you don't want to be facing elimination in Philly. Need to get it back home for game 5.
Even with Strider on t he mound tomorrow, you don't want to be facing elimination in Philly. Need to get it back home for game 5.