I so want to see TheThe try to spin this. Gaetz ****ed up
119th Congress or Red Wave In Adult Land
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I so want to see TheThe try to spin this. Gaetz ****ed up
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Jim Jordan had no shot of being speaker. He's never sponsored a passed bill. According to Propublica he's never sponsored a bill that's gotten a vote on the floor.
Plus who wants someone who supported someone who sexually assaulted 100+ COllege boys?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
“Look, I think it’s unfortunate that these guys can’t get their act together,” said Mr. DeSantis, a Republican running for president who once served in the House. “It’s like the gang that can’t shoot straight. They’ve been running around like chickens with their heads cut off. It’s not inspiring confidence. There’s a lot of theater.”
i endorse this assessment
i endorse this assessment
cajunrevenge
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That doesn't sell to MAGA voters. The correct statement according to them is "Congress isn't doing anything good anyways so doing nothing is an upgrade"
sturg33
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As always, his excuse will be the RINO PARTY, the ESTABLISHMENT, all stopping the will of people!
In reality, the will of the people led to a rejection of MAGA in 2022 and we are paying the price for it
Still hard to believe that "America first" Trump wanted Massie out of the party... but Massie didn't kiss his ass so the cult had to destroy him (failed to do so, of course)
cajunrevenge
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The Gaetz thing was a trap that ended in McCarthy being ousted no matter how Democrats voted. If Democrats voted to keep McCarthy they would have claimed Democrats love McCarthy which would have really worked up the MAGA crazies against him.
I admit there’s probably and has always been some shenanigans when it comes to voting, But why would GA ‘steal’ the election from Trump but not kemp? Kemp actually has more to do with the day to day dealings in Ga than the president does. You’d think the locals would do whatever to prevent Kemp from winning the governship.
Gaetz is a ****tard.
Gaetz is a ****tard.
cajunrevenge
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There are always shenanigans like gerrymandering and suppressing voters by making it harder to vote and in specific areas. See Republicans trying to remove voting centers near colleges. Republicans would love mail in voting if they thought it benefitted them. Trump even wanted voting by email in one of his early failed Presidential runs.
57Brave
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Warren Gunnels
@GunnelsWarren
Uninsured/Underinsured
US: 85 million
Portugal: 0
Spending on healthcare per person
US: $12,914
Portugal: $2,720
Deaths due to lack of health insurance
US: 68,000 a year
Portugal: 0
Life expectancy
US: 76.4
Portugal: 82
Please don't tell me we can't afford Medicare for All.
57Brave
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Juliegrace Brufke
@juliegraceb
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NEWS: According to a spokesperson from Rep. Donalds’ Office: “BYRON RUNNING FOR SPEAKER.”
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
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Donalds has only served 1 full term in the House. His most recent
work involved submitting falsified evidence in an impeachment investigation.
These people are not serious.
@juliegraceb
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NEWS: According to a spokesperson from Rep. Donalds’ Office: “BYRON RUNNING FOR SPEAKER.”
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
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Donalds has only served 1 full term in the House. His most recent
work involved submitting falsified evidence in an impeachment investigation.
These people are not serious.
We could if millions of non-citizens without health care didn’t show up to emergency rooms when anything happens while American taxpayers foot the bill.
Tapate50
Well-known member
This is the same poster that keeps telling us we have the money
57Brave
Well-known member
This "same poster" remembers no interstate highways.
and wonders how for example what Portugal does, but we can't?
Or Ecuador, or Germany or Senegal or Japan or Finland or ahum --- Mexico.
Is immigration (legal or illegal )specific to our country ?
Wonder what happens when gypsies get sick in Europe ?
Appears asking you to think beyond South Georgia is a stretch
and wonders how for example what Portugal does, but we can't?
Or Ecuador, or Germany or Senegal or Japan or Finland or ahum --- Mexico.
Is immigration (legal or illegal )specific to our country ?
Wonder what happens when gypsies get sick in Europe ?
Appears asking you to think beyond South Georgia is a stretch
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57Brave
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By Michelle Cottle
Ms. Cottle is a domestic correspondent for Opinion and a host of “Matter of Opinion.”
Update, Oct. 18: This essay has been updated to reflect the second round of voting in the House on Wednesday.
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Oops, they did it again. On Tuesday the House Republican gong show once again failed to choose a new speaker of the House.
This time it was one of the conference’s most belligerent hard-liners, Jim Jordan, who got smacked down, falling a whopping 17 votes short of a majority on the first round of voting. Things got worse on Wednesday when he lost even more support in a second round of voting, and there was no sign he would do any better in any further rounds. Fingers crossed. Mr. Jordan’s failure to seize the gavel would be a good thing for all Americans — most definitely including responsible Republican lawmakers.
His belly flop set off a flurry of anxious speculation about What Next. Will he cut the mother of all deals with enough G.O.P. holdouts to drag himself over the finish line? Will a dark-horse alternative candidate emerge? Will Kevin McCarthy rise from the dead like some congressional Nosferatu? Will the winsomely bow-tied Patrick McHenry serve as speaker pro tem forever? “I don’t know what to think,” lamented James Comer, a Jordan backer, as he fled the floor on Tuesday.
Eventually, one assumes, a new speaker will emerge. But the entire circus has already laid bare the dark flaw at the heart of this Congress: The Republican conference is failing as a democratic entity.
Jim Jordan is less aligned with his party than previous speakers of the House
The voting records of House speakers compared with the median Republican or Democrat in their Congress.
A healthy democracy needs its participants to accept a basic will-of-the-majority model. Fringe factions have rights, but they do not run the show. For years, the Republican Party has been shifting toward an anti-majoritarian, burn-down-the-system ethos. Time after time, the preferences and well-being of the many are abandoned in pursuit of the desires of the extremist few.
Nowhere has this become more evident than in the House, where various slivers of hard-liners delight in holding the entire chamber — and on occasion the entire country — hostage. The Freedom Caucusers want this or that unpopular policy stuffed into a spending bill. Matt Gaetz’s rebels clamor for this or that procedural change. In some cases, the Venn diagram circles of demands overlap; in others, different gangs dig in on different priorities. Forget compromise or collaboration or collective governance within the conference. It is not even a question of might makes right so much as a contest to see who can grab the most attention for throwing the most disruptive tantrum.
As a community slides ever deeper into chaos and dysfunction, it becomes less suitable for democratic leadership and more primed for domination by a political strongman. Its weary members often become more open to the charms of players who display the tenacity and ruthlessness to impose order on the feuding clans. For a while now, House Republicans — much like large swaths of the party’s electorate — have seemed headed in this direction.
For all his storied political savvy, the recently defenestrated Mr. McCarthy failed to grasp how far his side had devolved from the political era in which he joined the House in 2007. Trying his hand at old-school coalition building, he cut deals with and empowered his fringiest members in the hopes of earning their good will. All he wound up fueling was their rage and contempt.
Mr. Jordan clearly fancies himself more of a Trumpian strongman. He has never been a leader or a serious legislator but is, rather, a career pugilist who seems developmentally stuck in his glory days as a high school and college wrestler. When nominating him on the House floor Tuesday, Elise Stefanik (one of the more painful cautionary tales about the corrosiveness of Trumpism) felt compelled to cite his mad skills “on the wrestling mat.” Seriously? The guy is pushing 60, and we’re still yammering about his teenage takedowns? And not to be indelicate, but do Republicans really want people thinking all that hard about Mr. Jordan’s wrestling baggage?
Mr. Jordan attempted a different route to the top. Whatever shiny promises he may have made to colleagues, his speaker campaign has relied heavily on intimidation. His supporters, including outside groups and media figures like Sean Hannity, ran a hard-edge pressure campaign, looking to rally the party’s base against Republicans who stood in Mr. Jordan’s way. This is not a minor threat. In the Age of Trump, Republicans targeted by the MAGA-verse have learned to fear not only for their political fortunes but also for the safety of themselves and their families.
Such bullying undoubtedly suits Mr. Jordan’s self-conception. But it seems unlikely he, or much of anyone in his conference, has what it takes to be a genuine strongman. A garden-variety thug, maybe. But his leverage and influence, like so many hard-liners’, largely derive from being a creature of Mr. Trump. Mr. Jordan may consider himself a powerful figure. In reality, he is just another Trumpian lap dog, albeit an especially currish one.
This is one of the ironies of today’s Republican Party. So many of the folks who see themselves as having the Trump-like will and strength to lead are little more than slavish followers of the MAGA king. Generally speaking, toadies don’t make for great strongmen. Small wonder that the House’s Republican leaders in recent years have been so weak and forgettable.
Last week, Mike Collins, a Georgia Republican, summed up the absurdity, and tragedy, of his conference’s situation on social media: “We should just have a lottery. If you lose, you have to be speaker.”
Yes, he was joking, and his suggestion sounds absurdly random. But it also may be more democratic — and likely to produce a better outcome — than the road House Republicans have been headed down of late
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We could as easily shift the names from Jordan to Desantis substitute baseball for wrestling and apply this scenario to
Florida.
Ms. Cottle is a domestic correspondent for Opinion and a host of “Matter of Opinion.”
Update, Oct. 18: This essay has been updated to reflect the second round of voting in the House on Wednesday.
..
Oops, they did it again. On Tuesday the House Republican gong show once again failed to choose a new speaker of the House.
This time it was one of the conference’s most belligerent hard-liners, Jim Jordan, who got smacked down, falling a whopping 17 votes short of a majority on the first round of voting. Things got worse on Wednesday when he lost even more support in a second round of voting, and there was no sign he would do any better in any further rounds. Fingers crossed. Mr. Jordan’s failure to seize the gavel would be a good thing for all Americans — most definitely including responsible Republican lawmakers.
His belly flop set off a flurry of anxious speculation about What Next. Will he cut the mother of all deals with enough G.O.P. holdouts to drag himself over the finish line? Will a dark-horse alternative candidate emerge? Will Kevin McCarthy rise from the dead like some congressional Nosferatu? Will the winsomely bow-tied Patrick McHenry serve as speaker pro tem forever? “I don’t know what to think,” lamented James Comer, a Jordan backer, as he fled the floor on Tuesday.
Eventually, one assumes, a new speaker will emerge. But the entire circus has already laid bare the dark flaw at the heart of this Congress: The Republican conference is failing as a democratic entity.
Jim Jordan is less aligned with his party than previous speakers of the House
The voting records of House speakers compared with the median Republican or Democrat in their Congress.
A healthy democracy needs its participants to accept a basic will-of-the-majority model. Fringe factions have rights, but they do not run the show. For years, the Republican Party has been shifting toward an anti-majoritarian, burn-down-the-system ethos. Time after time, the preferences and well-being of the many are abandoned in pursuit of the desires of the extremist few.
Nowhere has this become more evident than in the House, where various slivers of hard-liners delight in holding the entire chamber — and on occasion the entire country — hostage. The Freedom Caucusers want this or that unpopular policy stuffed into a spending bill. Matt Gaetz’s rebels clamor for this or that procedural change. In some cases, the Venn diagram circles of demands overlap; in others, different gangs dig in on different priorities. Forget compromise or collaboration or collective governance within the conference. It is not even a question of might makes right so much as a contest to see who can grab the most attention for throwing the most disruptive tantrum.
As a community slides ever deeper into chaos and dysfunction, it becomes less suitable for democratic leadership and more primed for domination by a political strongman. Its weary members often become more open to the charms of players who display the tenacity and ruthlessness to impose order on the feuding clans. For a while now, House Republicans — much like large swaths of the party’s electorate — have seemed headed in this direction.
For all his storied political savvy, the recently defenestrated Mr. McCarthy failed to grasp how far his side had devolved from the political era in which he joined the House in 2007. Trying his hand at old-school coalition building, he cut deals with and empowered his fringiest members in the hopes of earning their good will. All he wound up fueling was their rage and contempt.
Mr. Jordan clearly fancies himself more of a Trumpian strongman. He has never been a leader or a serious legislator but is, rather, a career pugilist who seems developmentally stuck in his glory days as a high school and college wrestler. When nominating him on the House floor Tuesday, Elise Stefanik (one of the more painful cautionary tales about the corrosiveness of Trumpism) felt compelled to cite his mad skills “on the wrestling mat.” Seriously? The guy is pushing 60, and we’re still yammering about his teenage takedowns? And not to be indelicate, but do Republicans really want people thinking all that hard about Mr. Jordan’s wrestling baggage?
Mr. Jordan attempted a different route to the top. Whatever shiny promises he may have made to colleagues, his speaker campaign has relied heavily on intimidation. His supporters, including outside groups and media figures like Sean Hannity, ran a hard-edge pressure campaign, looking to rally the party’s base against Republicans who stood in Mr. Jordan’s way. This is not a minor threat. In the Age of Trump, Republicans targeted by the MAGA-verse have learned to fear not only for their political fortunes but also for the safety of themselves and their families.
Such bullying undoubtedly suits Mr. Jordan’s self-conception. But it seems unlikely he, or much of anyone in his conference, has what it takes to be a genuine strongman. A garden-variety thug, maybe. But his leverage and influence, like so many hard-liners’, largely derive from being a creature of Mr. Trump. Mr. Jordan may consider himself a powerful figure. In reality, he is just another Trumpian lap dog, albeit an especially currish one.
This is one of the ironies of today’s Republican Party. So many of the folks who see themselves as having the Trump-like will and strength to lead are little more than slavish followers of the MAGA king. Generally speaking, toadies don’t make for great strongmen. Small wonder that the House’s Republican leaders in recent years have been so weak and forgettable.
Last week, Mike Collins, a Georgia Republican, summed up the absurdity, and tragedy, of his conference’s situation on social media: “We should just have a lottery. If you lose, you have to be speaker.”
Yes, he was joking, and his suggestion sounds absurdly random. But it also may be more democratic — and likely to produce a better outcome — than the road House Republicans have been headed down of late
/////////////////////////////
We could as easily shift the names from Jordan to Desantis substitute baseball for wrestling and apply this scenario to
Florida.
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Germany has fallen apart the last 20 years.
What type of immigration do you think exists in Japan?
Have you been to Mexico? Its infrastructure is ****.
Can you imagine thinking using Japan as an indicator how successful countries do it with Immigration realizing that they have one of if not the most homogenous population in the world?