Legalization thread
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cajunrevenge
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It's funny you are making the same case Biden did when peolle blames him for mass incarceration. Federal police generally aren't involved in low level crimes. Regardless of the number of people in any prison for marijuana there are hundreds of thousands of arrests for it and that gets people started in the meat grinder which is the criminal justice system. People get probation for simpe possession and then get locked up for probation violation. It wont say they are in for simple possession. Someone sneezes in a cop while being arrested now its resisting and possession. I dont know an exact amount but I know not everyone in prison for trafficking was actually trafficking. I know one homeless guy got a life sentence because an undercover cop asked him if he could find some and the dude tried to help so he could get money to buy himself food. He was homeless because he had prior offenses and its why he got life but he wasnt trafficking despite what his charges say.
I really don't understand the logic of using the argument that people aren't in prison for simple possession to say we shouldn't legalize.
I really don't understand the logic of using the argument that people aren't in prison for simple possession to say we shouldn't legalize.
cajunrevenge
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Not every victim goes to prison for marijuana possession. **** like this is 100% because of the ridiculous classification of marijuana. This dude is being persecuted for growing the same crop as George Washington. All the talk about the FBI and conspiracy against people and this shows a clear government conspiracy but none of these people will be held accountable for their actions. This is why I laugh at your perceived grievances against the FBI. The government gets away with it 99.99% of the time without real accountability. Suing and getting tax payer money is not real accountability.
zitothebrave
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Few people are charged with simple possession. Prosecutors will charge you with every thing they can. This is a step to stop that one charge from coming up hopefully.
Runnin
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'This ain't Woodstock weed!' The number of California seniors ending up in hospital from using cannabis hits an all-time high, jumping 1,800% since 2005
More people aged 65 and over turn to cannabis to fight arthritis and other pains
Experts say 'silver smokers' can suffer dizziness, falls and heart palpitations
12,167 seniors went to ER after getting high in 2019, up from 366 in 2005
Many are shocked at how much more potent today's drug is from that of the 60s
More people aged 65 and over turn to cannabis to fight arthritis and other pains
Experts say 'silver smokers' can suffer dizziness, falls and heart palpitations
12,167 seniors went to ER after getting high in 2019, up from 366 in 2005
Many are shocked at how much more potent today's drug is from that of the 60s
cajunrevenge
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That many went to the ER, but how many actually needed to go to the hospital? My guess would be next to none. Probably only the ones that fell down, but we don't criminalize alcohol because some seniors might get drunk and fall down.
cajunrevenge
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https://apnews.com/article/ms-state...juana-health-4f81d577aeb2ed8a04849f62c86c707e
I didn't even know about this. Mississippi passed a referendum legalizing medical marijuana..... buy Mississippi rules state that you need a majority in all 5 Congressional congressional districts to pass..... only problem is because so many people leave the hell hole that is Mississippi they only have 4 Congressional districts...... so their courts invalidated it and there's now an impossible to meet standard for referendums.....
The aholes in their state Congress did then pass a medical marijuana bill but requires a person to try opiates and other risky treatments first which is not what voters wanted. And to be clear the voters voted for the referendum was 68% of voters and there was a more restrictive version on that same ballot that lost by 50%. Just a good old **** you to the voters of Mississippi by their elected offcials.
I didn't even know about this. Mississippi passed a referendum legalizing medical marijuana..... buy Mississippi rules state that you need a majority in all 5 Congressional congressional districts to pass..... only problem is because so many people leave the hell hole that is Mississippi they only have 4 Congressional districts...... so their courts invalidated it and there's now an impossible to meet standard for referendums.....
The aholes in their state Congress did then pass a medical marijuana bill but requires a person to try opiates and other risky treatments first which is not what voters wanted. And to be clear the voters voted for the referendum was 68% of voters and there was a more restrictive version on that same ballot that lost by 50%. Just a good old **** you to the voters of Mississippi by their elected offcials.
cajunrevenge
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/30/marijuana-review-move-to-schedule-iii-00113493
HHS has sent a letter to the DEA recommending Marijuana be moved from schedule 1 to schedule 3. I am cautiously optimistic about this. Glad they are doing something. That it took a year to state that water is wet is ridiculous. This route Biden has taken allows the DEA to make the decision which does not sit well with me. If its the head of the DEA itself making the decision she is a political appointee so I will assume she is a rational and logical person. The rank and file of the DEA will never agree to give up a shred of power so if they have any say it will never pass. This is not legalization though. For whatever reason politicians who depend on voters support all refuse to give the voters what they want. This is a step in the right direction but its annoying they are slow rolling this and giving the people who have a financial stake in prohibition make the decision. There is no single issue that is a better representation of government corruption than marijuana.
HHS has sent a letter to the DEA recommending Marijuana be moved from schedule 1 to schedule 3. I am cautiously optimistic about this. Glad they are doing something. That it took a year to state that water is wet is ridiculous. This route Biden has taken allows the DEA to make the decision which does not sit well with me. If its the head of the DEA itself making the decision she is a political appointee so I will assume she is a rational and logical person. The rank and file of the DEA will never agree to give up a shred of power so if they have any say it will never pass. This is not legalization though. For whatever reason politicians who depend on voters support all refuse to give the voters what they want. This is a step in the right direction but its annoying they are slow rolling this and giving the people who have a financial stake in prohibition make the decision. There is no single issue that is a better representation of government corruption than marijuana.
acesfull86
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https://reason.com/2024/03/20/biden-decries-criminalization-of-cannabis-consumers-even-as-he-insists-they-have-no-second-amendment-rights/
In his State of the Union address this month, President Joe Biden declared that "no one should be jailed for simply using" marijuana or "have it on their record." He amplified that message on X (formerly Twitter) that night, saying, "No one should be jailed just for using or possessing marijuana." Biden said those things on the same day that federal prosecutors in North Carolina filed a brief defending the federal ban on gun possession by cannabis consumers, whom they likened to "lunatics" and violent felons.
Biden, who during his 2020 campaign promised to "decriminalize the use of cannabis," thinks marijuana users are not doing anything that justifies arresting them. Yet his Justice Department simultaneously insists marijuana users are so dangerous that they cannot be trusted with guns even when they are completely sober—so dangerous, in fact, that they are altogether excluded from "the people" whose "right to keep and bear arms" is guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
In his State of the Union address this month, President Joe Biden declared that "no one should be jailed for simply using" marijuana or "have it on their record." He amplified that message on X (formerly Twitter) that night, saying, "No one should be jailed just for using or possessing marijuana." Biden said those things on the same day that federal prosecutors in North Carolina filed a brief defending the federal ban on gun possession by cannabis consumers, whom they likened to "lunatics" and violent felons.
Biden, who during his 2020 campaign promised to "decriminalize the use of cannabis," thinks marijuana users are not doing anything that justifies arresting them. Yet his Justice Department simultaneously insists marijuana users are so dangerous that they cannot be trusted with guns even when they are completely sober—so dangerous, in fact, that they are altogether excluded from "the people" whose "right to keep and bear arms" is guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
cajunrevenge
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Biden is simply virtue signaling for votes on the issue. His move for a review of Marijuana scheduling is going to end with them saying "well Congress needs to act" when he could have just sought Congress to act in the first place when Democrats had the House and Senate. Soon what we will hear is "well if you want decriminalization you will have to re-elect me". Then if he wins he continues doing nothing but at that point he no longer needs votes. Pretty much exactly what I said would happen before the 2020 election.
Even when we get to the point of Congress acting Democrats are going to sabotage an issue with bipartisan support and hold the issue hostage by requiring reparations. I dont disagree that the government should pay for the victims of their lies much like the cigarette companies did but you cant hold the issue hostage like that. Do it in a separate bill, but they know that wont get enough support.
Even when we get to the point of Congress acting Democrats are going to sabotage an issue with bipartisan support and hold the issue hostage by requiring reparations. I dont disagree that the government should pay for the victims of their lies much like the cigarette companies did but you cant hold the issue hostage like that. Do it in a separate bill, but they know that wont get enough support.
cajunrevenge
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https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-biden-dea-criminal-justice-pot-f833a8dae6ceb31a8658a5d65832a3b8
Government set to make history by admitting water is wet.
Government set to make history by admitting water is wet.
cajunrevenge
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Sure, and drinking pure alcohol aint good either. Thats why you have regulation which sets a purity level. This legalizes nothing more than medical marijuana. There is no argument for marijuana to be a schedule 1 drug. Its been used as medicine for thousands of years. Saying it has no medicinal value is like saying water isnt wet.
cajunrevenge
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Never said that's all I want. You can argue for or against legalization but there was no reason for it to be schedule 1 drug. It's legal in many states and Canada and neither is experiencing any marijuana related crisis. The issue isn't is marijuana good the issue is is the legalization less harmful than the prohibition of it.
cajunrevenge
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[video=youtube_share;GBMHWru0FNo]https://youtu.be/GBMHWru0FNo?si=zKSYjB5KYDmAufEr[/video]
The DEA started holding hearings on rescheduling marijuana from schedule 1 to 3. Now to be clear this is not about whether you think marijuana is good or bad. Its about appropriately placing the drug on the CSA scheduling. Marijuana is currently schedule 1 which is reserved for the most dangerous drugs with no medicinal value like heroin, LSD, ecstasy, and bath salts. Given that Marijuana is used for medical reasons in over half the country, Canada, and the federal government currently operates a medical marijuana program there is no legitimate argument it should be schedule 1. The prohibition was created thanks to the deep state using fake news. The head of the bureau of prohibition named Harry Anslinger at the time alcohol prohibition was ending was about to be out of a job so he ghost wrote a bunch of articles blaming Marijuana for various violent crimes. Most notably a case in Florida where a young kid murdered their family with an axe while they slept. His fake news campaign created the myth of Reefer Madness. During hearings in 1933 he used these fake new stories he ghost wrote as evidence. When the AMA director accurately point out these were not proof of anything he was kicked out of the hearings. As a result Marijuana was not criminalized they simply made a tax that was impossible to pay thus making it illegal. 30 years later this would be ruled unconstitutional but by this point the deep state had spent billions indoctrinating the public
Now this has all happened before. The Controlled Substances Act had a mechanism to appeal scheduling placement. A group called NORML filed an appeal. The DEA told them to get bent. NORML sued and the courts told the DEA they had to honor the appeals process. The DEA again refused. So NORML sued again and won. The DEA told them to get bent for a third time. NORML sued again and won. This took over 10 years. So the DEA finally honored the appeals process and hearings began in 1986 before administrative Judge Francis L Young. In 1988 the Judge ruled that marijuana should not be a schedule 1 drug. The head of the DEA told him to get bent and refused to honor the ruling. And that was the end of that.
From what I have seen Trumps DEA nominee has supported decriminalization so I hope history wont repeat itself here.
The DEA started holding hearings on rescheduling marijuana from schedule 1 to 3. Now to be clear this is not about whether you think marijuana is good or bad. Its about appropriately placing the drug on the CSA scheduling. Marijuana is currently schedule 1 which is reserved for the most dangerous drugs with no medicinal value like heroin, LSD, ecstasy, and bath salts. Given that Marijuana is used for medical reasons in over half the country, Canada, and the federal government currently operates a medical marijuana program there is no legitimate argument it should be schedule 1. The prohibition was created thanks to the deep state using fake news. The head of the bureau of prohibition named Harry Anslinger at the time alcohol prohibition was ending was about to be out of a job so he ghost wrote a bunch of articles blaming Marijuana for various violent crimes. Most notably a case in Florida where a young kid murdered their family with an axe while they slept. His fake news campaign created the myth of Reefer Madness. During hearings in 1933 he used these fake new stories he ghost wrote as evidence. When the AMA director accurately point out these were not proof of anything he was kicked out of the hearings. As a result Marijuana was not criminalized they simply made a tax that was impossible to pay thus making it illegal. 30 years later this would be ruled unconstitutional but by this point the deep state had spent billions indoctrinating the public
Now this has all happened before. The Controlled Substances Act had a mechanism to appeal scheduling placement. A group called NORML filed an appeal. The DEA told them to get bent. NORML sued and the courts told the DEA they had to honor the appeals process. The DEA again refused. So NORML sued again and won. The DEA told them to get bent for a third time. NORML sued again and won. This took over 10 years. So the DEA finally honored the appeals process and hearings began in 1986 before administrative Judge Francis L Young. In 1988 the Judge ruled that marijuana should not be a schedule 1 drug. The head of the DEA told him to get bent and refused to honor the ruling. And that was the end of that.
From what I have seen Trumps DEA nominee has supported decriminalization so I hope history wont repeat itself here.
cajunrevenge
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Ladies and gentleman. I got some big news. On May 1st I am opening my own smoke shop. It took me 8 months and 56k. I now sell Marijuana and marijuana accessories. Starting out its going to be open 8 am to midnight but I plan to go to 24 hours around July. I expect the first 6-8 weeks to be rather slow but my estimated operating expenses to be under 1k a month. I own 75%. My partner who owns the building owns 25%. He didnt put any money down but he helped me with the legal stuff and I dont pay him any rent. My current inventory cost me 19k but if everything were to sale at retail price it would bring in 96k.
