2025-2026 offseason thread

Enscheff said:
The Cards got Clarke and Fitts, both FV 50 pitchers according to FG. In exchange the Sox got Gray for $21M (Cards sent $20M in cash). The Braves don't even have an equivalent package, since the only 50 they have is Fuentes (though one could argue Fuentes plus Cam is just as strong).

I think the Cards did pretty well here, and is exactly how rebuilding teams should use cash to extract better prospects from the other team.
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Fitts might have been a 50 FV a while ago. But he certainly isn't now. He'll be 26 in 3 weeks and he's been trending down for 2 straight seasons.

But I would agree that the Cards made out well overall.
 
Carp said:
Fitts might have been a 50 FV a while ago. But he certainly isn't now. He'll be 26 in 3 weeks and he's been trending down for 2 straight seasons.

But I would agree that the Cards made out well overall.
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Fitts is what they refer to as a "post hype prosect", meaning he was a 50, flopped early at the MLB level, but still has a lot of potential for teams who think they can adjust what went wrong at the MLB level. Elder is not a fair comp at all.
 
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Enscheff said:
Fitts is what they refer to as a "post hype prosect", meaning he was a 50, flopped early at the MLB level, but still has a lot of potential for teams who think they can adjust what went wrong at the MLB level.
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If we want to get pedantic, maybe we could describe the package for Gray as the equivalent of Fuentes + pre-resurgence Waldrep

Still probably more than most folks on this board would've been comfortable with
 
rawwr said:
If we want to get pedantic, maybe we could describe the package for Gray as the equivalent of Fuentes + pre-resurgence Waldrep

Still probably more than most folks on this board would've been comfortable with
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Yeah, that's reasonable, though I'd argue Waldrep still had quite a bit more hype left than Fitts does.
 
Enscheff said:
The Cards got Clarke and Fitts, both FV 50 pitchers according to FG. In exchange the Sox got Gray for $21M (Cards sent $20M in cash). The Braves don't even have an equivalent package, since the only 50 they have is Fuentes (though one could argue Fuentes plus Cam is just as strong).

I think the Cards did pretty well here, and is exactly how rebuilding teams should use cash to extract better prospects from the other team.
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We don't have a lot of ammo to make deals like the Cards/Red Sox deal. Unless Anthopoulos signs a couple of veteran pitchers, he can't afford to deplete the depth in the upper minors regardless of whether they are 45s.
 
This board is going to absolutely melt down if the Braves ever go all in and sign someone of Joe Ryan or Pablo Lopez's caliber. Not saying it wouldn't be a great move, but the cost is going to shock people. Quality MLB pitching is simply expensive.
 
Enscheff said:
Fitts is what they refer to as a "post hype prosect", meaning he was a 50, flopped early at the MLB level, but still has a lot of potential for teams who think they can adjust what went wrong at the MLB level. Elder is not a fair comp at all.
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That's fair. Elder has been in the league 3 years now so there isn't much of a mystery to him. But Fitz is certainly not a super valuable as a 26 year old pitcher that hasn't found any success in the majors. Maybe Kyle Wright circa 2021 is a slightly better comp. And no one would have lamented trading Kyle Wright at that time.
 
Also, Fangraphs has not updated their rankings. So to say Atl has no 50 FV prospects is not an accurate assessment.

Cam was a 45+ FV this time last year. Am I to believe a year after Cam dominated A ball at only 18 that he hasn't improved upon that rating? Fuentes was a 50 FV a year ago, and flew through the minors and made it to the majors after barely turning 20. Both guys will likely appear in several top 100 prospects this off-season.
 
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Unless Bassitt goes back to the Blue Jays, I would admittedly be a little shocked if he's not a Brave come Opening Day. It just makes so much sense for both sides.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Unless Bassitt goes back to the Blue Jays, I would admittedly be a little shocked if he's not a Brave come Opening Day. It just makes so much sense for both sides.
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Sign Bassitt, trade for Buxton, and get another good BP arm and we could be done. I'd rather get another SS and let Dubon be a super sub but if the choice is run with what we have at DH and have Kim or run with Dubon and have Buxton I'll take the last option. Buxton would be insurance in case an OF goes down for a while or Harris sucks again.
 
Carp said:
Also, Fangraphs has not updated their rankings. So to say Atl has no 50 FV prospects is not an accurate assessment.

Cam was a 45+ FV this time last year. Am I to believe a year after Cam dominated A ball at only 18 that he hasn't improved upon that rating? Fuentes was a 50 FV a year ago, and flew through the minors and made it to the majors after barely turning 20. Both guys will likely appear in several top 100 prospects this off-season.
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Ok, you’ve lost the point of the discussion.

If AA had traded Cam plus Didier for 1 year of Gray at $21M, I don’t think we would have been all that happy.

That’s all.
 
Hudson2 said:
Sign Bassitt, trade for Buxton, and get another good BP arm and we could be done. I'd rather get another SS and let Dubon be a super sub but if the choice is run with what we have at DH and have Kim or run with Dubon and have Buxton I'll take the last option. Buxton would be insurance in case an OF goes down for a while or Harris sucks again.
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Of the choice ends up being buxton or Kim I think everyone prefers buxton…depending on the trade of course.
 
77 days until pitchers and catchers report. Today would be a great day for AA to add a legitimate starting shortstop that allows the team to maximize Dubon's capabilities.
 
Hudson2 said:
I'd rather sign Bassitt than make the deal for Gray.
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I didn't want Gray anyways. But Fuentes and Cam is not an equivalent package.

I am not quite sure how FG does their rankings and why Clarke was ever given a 50 FV grade. Yes he has legitimately amazing stuff, but he has 30 grade command. He didn't exactly dominate A+ ball as a 22 year old either. Ace level potential, but the reliever risk is super high with his control issues. And he'll already be 23 to start out next season in either A+ ball or AA. That doesn't exactly scream 50 FV and top 100 overall prospect. And no other Prospect ranking service had him in their updated top 100 rankings. Fuentes seems like a better prospect in every appreciable way, especially given that he's near MLB ready and is nearly 3 full years younger. And Cam was more way more impressive as an 18 year old in A ball than Clarke was a 22 year old in A+ ball.

I don't know what an appropriate comp to Clarke would be in our system. He seems very similar to Lara overall, who has also 2 plus plus pitches and no control. But Lara has already started the transition to relief, so the value clearly isn't the same. Maybe Murphy would be an equivalent value considering they are of similar age and level and Murphy has a 1st round pedigree. And I certainly wouldn't give up Murphy plus another valuable arm for 1 year of Gray at 21 million.
 
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