zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Need someone to do a smash cut of hannity and greene saying basically the same things.
117th Congress
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Need someone to do a smash cut of hannity and greene saying basically the same things.
striker42
Well-known member
Greene is an embarrassment to my district who should never have been elected. That being said, what the Democrats did was stupid.
No one in Washington will learn that when you fire a weapon, you've just set the precedent for firing that weapon and it will only get easier to fire it.
Suppose the Republicans take over the house in two years and AOC puts her foot in her mouth like she tends to do or Omar says something anti-semitic. Well there goes their committees.
MTG should be treated the same as other ridiculous Representatives, they should be ignored. Targeting them gives them a spotlight.
No one in Washington will learn that when you fire a weapon, you've just set the precedent for firing that weapon and it will only get easier to fire it.
Suppose the Republicans take over the house in two years and AOC puts her foot in her mouth like she tends to do or Omar says something anti-semitic. Well there goes their committees.
MTG should be treated the same as other ridiculous Representatives, they should be ignored. Targeting them gives them a spotlight.
57Brave
Well-known member
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threa...18 U.S.C.,the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Legislators
There have been comparatively few physical assaults on Members of Congress. On May 22, 1856, Senator Charles Sumner was savagely beaten down to the floor of the Senate chamber with a gold-knobbed cane by Representative Preston Brooks after Sumner delivered a fiery oration against slavery.[21] In 1954, four Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House chamber, wounding five Members of Congress.[22] In 1978, Representative Leo Ryan was shot and killed in Jonestown, Guyana, becoming the only member of Congress to lose his life in the line of duty.[23] Representative Gabrielle Giffords was shot and severely injured on January 2011 outside a supermarket where she met with constituents.[24] Representative Steve Scalise was gravely wounded in 2017 when he was shot by a former volunteer for Bernie Sanders's 2016 Presidential campaign.[25] Senator Rand Paul suffered several rib fractures and developed pneumonia after a November 2017 attack by a neighbor over a dispute over lawn care.[26]
Threats and intimidation directed against Members of Congress are more common than physical assaults. A prominent example was the burning of a cross, an intimidation tactic of the Ku Klux Klan, on House Speaker Sam Rayburn's front lawn in Texas during debate on civil rights legislation in the 1960s.[22] The United States Capital Police investigates threats against Members of Congress and reports to the Chair and Ranking Member of the Committee on House Administration and/or the United States Senate Committee on Rules and Administration.
Social media have been used to publish threats and intimidating messages. Threats have been made through YouTube videos [27] and Twitter (which hosted direct threats of violence against Members of Congress such as Representative Bob Goodlatte, and Senators Roy Blunt and John Hoeven). Concern has been voiced in the press over Twitter's failure in some cases to promptly remove threats made against Members of Congress. Kyler Schmitz's threats to shoot Senator Roy Blunt remained on Twitter after Schmitz had been arrested for illegally using interstate communications to make the threat.[28] Christopher Michael McGowan was arrested in April 2018 for a series of Tweets threatening Representative Goodlatte and other lawmakers made from January to April 2018.[29] Twitter's stated policy on "Violent threats and glorification of violence" says "You may not make specific threats of violence or wish for the serious physical harm, death, or disease of an individual or group of people".[30]
2010 legislation for health care reform in the United States saw an increased number of threatening communications and actions directed at legislators. Several Members of Congress received threatening messages. Representative Eric Cantor received a threat from Norman Leboon, a donor to Barack Obama who had produced more than 2,000 threatening YouTube videos;[31] the Democratic Party said that it would donate the funds to charity.[32] Other lawmakers' windows were broken with bricks and other objects.[33]
House Minority Leader John Boehner stated, "Violence and threats are unacceptable. Yes, I know there is anger, but let's take that anger, and go out and register people to vote, go volunteer on a political campaign, and let's do it the right way."[34] Rep. Cantor, who received a bullet through his campaign office window, stated, "Security threats against members of Congress are not a partisan issue, and they should never be treated that way. To use such threats as political weapons is reprehensible."[35] He accused Representative Chris Van Hollen of "dangerously fanning the flames by suggesting that these incidents be used as a political weapon."[36] A spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center remarked, "I think it is astounding that we are seeing this wave of vigilantism."[37]
After the 2016 Presidential election, personal attacks gained a more prominent place in dialogue between the President and legislators from both major US parties, with at least one Member of Congress advocating harassment of other Federal officials outside of work. In June 2018, Representative Maxine Waters, speaking at an outdoor rally said, "If you see anybody from that (Trump) Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere." [38]
In July 2018, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was confronted with shouted personal insults and the threat "we know where you live" by a crowd of protesters; earlier, McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao were subjected to verbal abuse by a crowd as they left an event at Georgetown University.[39] According to National Public Radio, at least three Trump administration officials — Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, Trump adviser Stephen Miller and White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, along with her family — have been forced out by vocal protesters from restaurants or denied service.[38]
Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi denounced the tactic of harassing their political enemies. Both Schumer and Pelosi referred to President Trump's personal attacks on political opponents on Twitter while disavowing the tactics of Rep. Maxine Waters.[38]
During Senate confirmation hearings on Brett Kavanaugh's appointment to the US Supreme Court, Senator Ted Cruz's Houston campaign office received an envelope containing white powder just after two envelopes containing the poison ricin were mailed to US Secretary of Defense James Mattis and the Chief of Naval Operations.[40] Sen. Cruz and his wife also had to leave their table at a Washington restaurant when protesters shouted them down at their table.[41]
According to Newsweek, Senator Susan Collins's office received "threatening, profanity-laced phone calls and letters, telling her to vote against the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court". One caller told a young woman working for Collins that he hoped she would be raped and impregnated, according to a voicemail provided to the New York Times by Collins's spokeswoman.[42]
In 2020, Twitter announced that any posts wishing for Trump's death from coronavirus would be removed for violating the platform's terms of service. Democratic congresswomen Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Pressley criticized Twitter for not taking threats against them seriously, pointing out posts calling for their deaths that had been allowed to remain on the site.[43]
Doxing of legislators also occurs. Jackson A. Cosko, a member of Representative Sheila Jackson Lee's staff, was arrested by US Capitol Police in October 2018, charged with public restricted information, unauthorized access of a government computer, burglary, threatening Federal officials and other crimes.[44] According to a Federal arrest warrant filed by Capitol Police, Cosko threatened an aide of Senator Maggie Hassan who found him using a computer in Sen. Hassan's office, then ordered him to leave in an E-mail. Mr. Cosko posted confidential personal information such as home and office addresses and home telephone numbers of five US senators, including Senate Judiciary Committee members Lindsey Graham, Mike Lee and Orrin Hatch, to their Wikipedia articles.[45] In April 2019 Cosko pleaded guilty to two counts of Making Public Restricted Personal Information, one count of Computer Fraud, one count of Witness Tampering, and one count of Obstruction of Justice, in exchange for an agreement by the prosecutors to drop other applicable charges. On June 19th, 2019 Cosko was sentenced to 4 years in Federal prison. [46]
Cyberstalking of legislators is a related problem. Juan McCullum, a former member of Congressional delegate Stacey Plaskett and Representative Frederica Wilson's staffs was charged in July 2017 with illegally obtaining private nude photographs of Delegate Plaskett and videos of her family from Ms. Plaskett's iPhone while he worked for her, then using an Internet account under an assumed name to distribute the photos and encourage other Internet users to share them online.[47]
In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said "a bullet to the head would be quicker" to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the "deep state" working against Trump.
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"put her foot in her mouth"
Hmm
Legislators
There have been comparatively few physical assaults on Members of Congress. On May 22, 1856, Senator Charles Sumner was savagely beaten down to the floor of the Senate chamber with a gold-knobbed cane by Representative Preston Brooks after Sumner delivered a fiery oration against slavery.[21] In 1954, four Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House chamber, wounding five Members of Congress.[22] In 1978, Representative Leo Ryan was shot and killed in Jonestown, Guyana, becoming the only member of Congress to lose his life in the line of duty.[23] Representative Gabrielle Giffords was shot and severely injured on January 2011 outside a supermarket where she met with constituents.[24] Representative Steve Scalise was gravely wounded in 2017 when he was shot by a former volunteer for Bernie Sanders's 2016 Presidential campaign.[25] Senator Rand Paul suffered several rib fractures and developed pneumonia after a November 2017 attack by a neighbor over a dispute over lawn care.[26]
Threats and intimidation directed against Members of Congress are more common than physical assaults. A prominent example was the burning of a cross, an intimidation tactic of the Ku Klux Klan, on House Speaker Sam Rayburn's front lawn in Texas during debate on civil rights legislation in the 1960s.[22] The United States Capital Police investigates threats against Members of Congress and reports to the Chair and Ranking Member of the Committee on House Administration and/or the United States Senate Committee on Rules and Administration.
Social media have been used to publish threats and intimidating messages. Threats have been made through YouTube videos [27] and Twitter (which hosted direct threats of violence against Members of Congress such as Representative Bob Goodlatte, and Senators Roy Blunt and John Hoeven). Concern has been voiced in the press over Twitter's failure in some cases to promptly remove threats made against Members of Congress. Kyler Schmitz's threats to shoot Senator Roy Blunt remained on Twitter after Schmitz had been arrested for illegally using interstate communications to make the threat.[28] Christopher Michael McGowan was arrested in April 2018 for a series of Tweets threatening Representative Goodlatte and other lawmakers made from January to April 2018.[29] Twitter's stated policy on "Violent threats and glorification of violence" says "You may not make specific threats of violence or wish for the serious physical harm, death, or disease of an individual or group of people".[30]
2010 legislation for health care reform in the United States saw an increased number of threatening communications and actions directed at legislators. Several Members of Congress received threatening messages. Representative Eric Cantor received a threat from Norman Leboon, a donor to Barack Obama who had produced more than 2,000 threatening YouTube videos;[31] the Democratic Party said that it would donate the funds to charity.[32] Other lawmakers' windows were broken with bricks and other objects.[33]
House Minority Leader John Boehner stated, "Violence and threats are unacceptable. Yes, I know there is anger, but let's take that anger, and go out and register people to vote, go volunteer on a political campaign, and let's do it the right way."[34] Rep. Cantor, who received a bullet through his campaign office window, stated, "Security threats against members of Congress are not a partisan issue, and they should never be treated that way. To use such threats as political weapons is reprehensible."[35] He accused Representative Chris Van Hollen of "dangerously fanning the flames by suggesting that these incidents be used as a political weapon."[36] A spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center remarked, "I think it is astounding that we are seeing this wave of vigilantism."[37]
After the 2016 Presidential election, personal attacks gained a more prominent place in dialogue between the President and legislators from both major US parties, with at least one Member of Congress advocating harassment of other Federal officials outside of work. In June 2018, Representative Maxine Waters, speaking at an outdoor rally said, "If you see anybody from that (Trump) Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere." [38]
In July 2018, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was confronted with shouted personal insults and the threat "we know where you live" by a crowd of protesters; earlier, McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao were subjected to verbal abuse by a crowd as they left an event at Georgetown University.[39] According to National Public Radio, at least three Trump administration officials — Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, Trump adviser Stephen Miller and White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, along with her family — have been forced out by vocal protesters from restaurants or denied service.[38]
Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi denounced the tactic of harassing their political enemies. Both Schumer and Pelosi referred to President Trump's personal attacks on political opponents on Twitter while disavowing the tactics of Rep. Maxine Waters.[38]
During Senate confirmation hearings on Brett Kavanaugh's appointment to the US Supreme Court, Senator Ted Cruz's Houston campaign office received an envelope containing white powder just after two envelopes containing the poison ricin were mailed to US Secretary of Defense James Mattis and the Chief of Naval Operations.[40] Sen. Cruz and his wife also had to leave their table at a Washington restaurant when protesters shouted them down at their table.[41]
According to Newsweek, Senator Susan Collins's office received "threatening, profanity-laced phone calls and letters, telling her to vote against the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court". One caller told a young woman working for Collins that he hoped she would be raped and impregnated, according to a voicemail provided to the New York Times by Collins's spokeswoman.[42]
In 2020, Twitter announced that any posts wishing for Trump's death from coronavirus would be removed for violating the platform's terms of service. Democratic congresswomen Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Pressley criticized Twitter for not taking threats against them seriously, pointing out posts calling for their deaths that had been allowed to remain on the site.[43]
Doxing of legislators also occurs. Jackson A. Cosko, a member of Representative Sheila Jackson Lee's staff, was arrested by US Capitol Police in October 2018, charged with public restricted information, unauthorized access of a government computer, burglary, threatening Federal officials and other crimes.[44] According to a Federal arrest warrant filed by Capitol Police, Cosko threatened an aide of Senator Maggie Hassan who found him using a computer in Sen. Hassan's office, then ordered him to leave in an E-mail. Mr. Cosko posted confidential personal information such as home and office addresses and home telephone numbers of five US senators, including Senate Judiciary Committee members Lindsey Graham, Mike Lee and Orrin Hatch, to their Wikipedia articles.[45] In April 2019 Cosko pleaded guilty to two counts of Making Public Restricted Personal Information, one count of Computer Fraud, one count of Witness Tampering, and one count of Obstruction of Justice, in exchange for an agreement by the prosecutors to drop other applicable charges. On June 19th, 2019 Cosko was sentenced to 4 years in Federal prison. [46]
Cyberstalking of legislators is a related problem. Juan McCullum, a former member of Congressional delegate Stacey Plaskett and Representative Frederica Wilson's staffs was charged in July 2017 with illegally obtaining private nude photographs of Delegate Plaskett and videos of her family from Ms. Plaskett's iPhone while he worked for her, then using an Internet account under an assumed name to distribute the photos and encourage other Internet users to share them online.[47]
In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said "a bullet to the head would be quicker" to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the "deep state" working against Trump.
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"put her foot in her mouth"
Hmm
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
It would have been much better for McCarthy/the Republikaners © to have dealt with this as an in-house matter. It is shocking they gave her a seat on the Education Committee considering the way she has gone after David Hogg.
57Brave
Well-known member
Yes they are theatre. Every theatre has a stage. What happened today was Mrs Greene got the hook
My guess is Rep Boebert is next for miss use of campaign funds
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Do you have a race card quota or something? My gosh you pull it out for some absurd things.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
What has she done with David Hogg?
Tapate50
Well-known member
If a republican congress removed a woman of color from her committee appointments....
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striker42
Well-known member
Another reason the punishment of MTG was stupid. You basically gave her a stage for a week, made sure a lot more people knew who she was, and then made a martyr out of her for fringe groups. And what good came of it? A statement was made but to what end? Qanon nuts aren't going to see this and go "Well they took committees away from a member of congress, I guess we have to go home and follow the mainstream now." If anything it will just further incite these groups to greater heights of stupidity.
One thing you learn about any fringe group, whether it be a terrorist network or an online conspiracy theory group, is that the best result for them is to trigger an overreaction from their targets. When terrorists attack and the country they attack retaliates, it tends to drive more people to joining the terrorist network. The retaliation lends them legitimacy and draws others who feel oppressed by the retaliating country. You've seen this all throughout the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Groups like Qanon are the same. The more the establishment attacks them, the more they grow. Stripping MTG of her committees just lends whatever fringe things she supports more legitimacy. Those who oppose the Democrats are now more likely to see her as being persecuted for her speech and sympathize more with her. You'll even see some who will say "If they consider her enough of a threat to warrant this, maybe she's onto something they don't want getting out."
The best way to combat fringe groups is with intelligent, well thought out, measured action. You need systematically marginalize them until they erode to nothing. Lashing out based on emotion only makes them stronger.
One thing you learn about any fringe group, whether it be a terrorist network or an online conspiracy theory group, is that the best result for them is to trigger an overreaction from their targets. When terrorists attack and the country they attack retaliates, it tends to drive more people to joining the terrorist network. The retaliation lends them legitimacy and draws others who feel oppressed by the retaliating country. You've seen this all throughout the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Groups like Qanon are the same. The more the establishment attacks them, the more they grow. Stripping MTG of her committees just lends whatever fringe things she supports more legitimacy. Those who oppose the Democrats are now more likely to see her as being persecuted for her speech and sympathize more with her. You'll even see some who will say "If they consider her enough of a threat to warrant this, maybe she's onto something they don't want getting out."
The best way to combat fringe groups is with intelligent, well thought out, measured action. You need systematically marginalize them until they erode to nothing. Lashing out based on emotion only makes them stronger.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The Dems would be delighted to have her be the face of the Republikaner © Party.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
This is valid. The punishment wasn't about making anything better, it was about feeding the propaganda machine.
striker42
Well-known member
One of the many major problems confronting our political system is prioritizing scoring political points over the good of the country. What is better for the country, scoring a short lived win over Republicans? Or working to erode a conspiracy theory that led to a riot at the Capitol?
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
No one studies history anymore, which is really tragic. In 1856, South Carolina Congressman Preston Brooks entered the Senate floor and beat Massachusetts Senator Charles Sumner within an inch of his life. Brooks was convicted of assault and paid a $300 fine, but he wasn't expelled from Congress. It's probably apples-and-oranges, but I think this is a bit of overkill on Greene and, as striker pointed out, it sets a precedent that really doesn't need to be set in these hyper-partisan times. As striker pointed out, the Squad will be on the block if the Republicans take control of the House.
If it can be proven that Greene was directly involved with the mob, she should be charged and tried. What that would mean in terms of her treatment in Congress would be up to Congress, but I would guess if irrefutable evidence exists that showed her to be actively assisting the insurrection, she should be removed and jailed. But the burden of proof would be on those charging her.
Don't take this as defending Greene or her "supposed" freedom of speech. She's a f*cking nut and should be treated as such. She's former member of Congress Michelle Bachmann with an AK-47. We lived through Bachmann's eight-year tenure of idiocy and hopefully the Republic can survive Greene's equally appalling flat-out stupidity.
If it can be proven that Greene was directly involved with the mob, she should be charged and tried. What that would mean in terms of her treatment in Congress would be up to Congress, but I would guess if irrefutable evidence exists that showed her to be actively assisting the insurrection, she should be removed and jailed. But the burden of proof would be on those charging her.
Don't take this as defending Greene or her "supposed" freedom of speech. She's a f*cking nut and should be treated as such. She's former member of Congress Michelle Bachmann with an AK-47. We lived through Bachmann's eight-year tenure of idiocy and hopefully the Republic can survive Greene's equally appalling flat-out stupidity.
57Brave
Well-known member
Pressed by reporters, Marjorie Taylor Greene won't apologize for supporting a post calling for Speaker Pelosi's assassination, and instead lashes out at reporters -- despite claiming earlier in the press conference she supports free speech and journalism.
Marjorie Taylor Greene defends running after and hounding Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg: "David Hogg was an adult ... working hard for strict gun control policies."
After refusing to truly disavow most of her past comments, Marjorie Taylor Greene is asked by reporters if she wants to do so now. Instead she attacks the press and storms off.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene defends running after and hounding Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg: "David Hogg was an adult ... working hard for strict gun control policies."
After refusing to truly disavow most of her past comments, Marjorie Taylor Greene is asked by reporters if she wants to do so now. Instead she attacks the press and storms off.
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57Brave
Well-known member
Next week will be interesting