119th Congress or Red Wave In Adult Land

[thethe]

Again, that sounds like something that would be advantageous for someone whose job is to make sure people vote a certain way. The argument *you* are making would mean that anybody but McBride would be less qualified in comparison by virtue of not being able to play the “trans” card. Whether the bill has any merit or not is a problem for everybody else. The whip just needs to get the caucus to toe the party line.

Yes - In a world where being trans is a righteous action that gets you attention with your idiotic base its a positive.

In anything substantive that changes peoples lives it means nothing.

But this is why the voting democrat base is shrinking so I'm glad the 'party' hasn't understood this and changed.

 

[mqt]

Your argument that he is only this position because he's pretending to be a woman is one I share

I also agree with you that Nancy Mace helped elevate him

Do you also agree that McBride’s response to Mace was politically effective? Because I’m not completely naive, I think the Dems see McBride as a potentially important part of the party’s future because of her identity, but I don’t think they’re doing this specifically to get a trans person into leadership, but because McBride has shown some strong political instincts in a debate Dems are struggling to counter Republicans on. To me that’s not DEI, it’s just run-of-the-mill opportunism.

 

[thethe]

Do you also agree that McBride’s response to Mace was politically effective? Because I’m not completely naive, I think the Dems see McBride as a potentially important part of the party’s future because of her identity, but I
don’t think they’re doing this specifically to get a trans person into leadership, but because McBride has shown some strong political instincts in a debate Dems are struggling to counter Republicans on. To me that’s not DEI, it’s just run-of-the-mill opportunism.

MUSIC TO MY EARS!

 

[mqt]

Yes - In a world where being trans is a righteous action that gets you attention with your idiotic base its a positive.

In anything substantive that changes peoples lives it means nothing.

But this is why the voting democrat base is shrinking so I'm glad the 'party' hasn't understood this and changed.

Please provide a list of Democratic members of Congress that you, Thethe, believe were both going to provide more substantive change as the minority party and be popular within the Democratic Party during that time. I’ll happily review their qualifications and adjust my opinion if they would be more effective.

 

[mqt]

MUSIC TO MY EARS!

Donald Trump has been elected the President of the United States twice now because of his identity. Being transgender is part of the story of Sarah McBride. That’s not controversial or woke to suggest.

 

[thethe]

Donald Trump has been elected the President of the United States twice now because of his identity.

Elaborate please

 

[thethe]

Please provide a list of Democratic members of Congress that you, Thethe, believe were both going to provide more substantive change as the minority party and be popular within the Democratic Party during that time. I’ll happily review their qualifications and adjust my opinion if they would be more effective.

Oh I don't doubt that because of this farce of a merit system due to being trans doesn't check all the boxes that people like you care about.

But its based on nothing substantive other than a demented ideology and will accelerate the downfall of the Democrat party.

 

[mqt]

Elaborate please

He won because he was Donald Trump. Big celebrity associated with wealth and success that was a “political outsider” due to those things. Sarah McBride *could* win an election in part due to being openly transgender, just as Donald Trump could win in part due to being a brash celebrity. Accepting that someone’s differences can be politically significant is not an implication that they are specifically looking to elevate her to virtue signal.

 

[thethe]

He won because he was Donald Trump. Big celebrity associated with wealth and success that was a “political outsider” due to those things. Sarah McBride *could* win an election in part due to being openly transgender, just as Donald Trump could win in part due to being a brash celebrity. Accepting that someone’s differences can be politically significant is not an implication that they are specifically looking to elevate her to virtue signal.

So you compare identify based on accomplishment versus self-identity based on nothing but a decision.

Assumed it was some form of nonsense like this.

Could win - OMG PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE democrat party believe this.

 

[mqt]

Oh I don't doubt that because of this farce of a merit system due to being trans doesn't check all the boxes that people like you care about.

But it’s based on nothing substantive other than a demented ideology and will accelerate the downfall of the Democrat party.

To be clear, while I think it’s kind of rad that she won given the current environment for trans people, I don’t much care about those characteristics when it comes to elected officials. If the primary voters in a congressional district elect someone of any race/gender/sexual orientation and that person wins the general election, they have clearly found a sufficiently qualified candidate. Unfortunately that’s the only qualification that exists in this arena: can you beat your opponent? If not, maybe they should figure out a new strategy to reach voters in that district.

 

[mqt]

So you compare identify based on accomplishment versus self-identity based on nothing but a decision.

Assumed it was some form of nonsense like this.

Could win - OMG PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE democrat party believe this.

No. If all you had to do to win a congressional election and become a Deputy Whip was be transgender, we’d have nothing but transgender Deputy Whips in Congress. McBride has her own set of actual qualifications that *shockingly* read remarkably similar to other members of Congress.

Sarah McBride would not win a Presidential election if one were held today because she does not have the qualifications of a Presidential candidate. But if she continues to show an ability to work with Republicans on legislation, bat away distractions and maintain the support of her constituents, who knows? That’s the thing here: if you think Democrats will elevate a trans person to win elections, you’re really suggesting the right doesn’t have as strong a position with the average voter on this issue as you claim they do.

 

[mqt]

So you compare identify based on accomplishment versus self-identity based on nothing but a decision.

Assumed it was some form of nonsense like this.

Could win - OMG PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE democrat party believe this.

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This whole interaction really reminded me of this tweet I saw earlier. Some people are just more politically interesting or appealing than others, that doesn’t mean I think she’s accomplished as much as Trump and you know that. Delaware voters or the country will decide if McBride continues to have an upward political trajectory or not, but her identity is part of who she is and so far the people are buying what she’s selling overall.

 

[chop2chip]

This guy is an embarrassment. If you think for a second he works more than 10 hours a week, you’re an idiot

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[sturg33]

Super impressed with Chip Roy. Total evisceration of his own party

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Bumping this as the MAGA army led by catturd demanded a primary opponent in 2026 due to this speech.

But thethe says 2026 will result in more candidates like Chip Roy

K

 

[thethe]

Uh oh - crying anti-maga hysteric Sturg is back.

Guess the first two weeks were so good it broke you.

 

[sturg33]

Uh oh - crying anti-maga hysteric Sturg is back.

Guess the first two weeks were so good it broke you.

It's exhausting keeping up with you.

You seriously don't have to get offended and angry anytime some disagrees with you.

It's YOU who said 2026 will lead to candidates like Chip Roy, and it's YOU who says people like Chip Roy have to be removed.

You consistently move goalposts to align with whatever is happening today. And if pointing out your inconsistencies is gonna piss you off every time... then get ready to launch another one of your protests at me

 

[thethe]

It's exhausting keeping up with you.

You seriously don't have to get offended and angry anytime some disagrees with you.

It's YOU who said 2026 will lead to candidates like Chip Roy, and it's YOU who says people like Chip Roy have to be removed.

You consistently move goalposts to align with whatever is happening today. And if pointing out your inconsistencies is gonna piss you off every time... then get ready to launch another one of your protests at me

Where did I say that Chip Roys need to be removed?

 

[sturg33]

Where did I say that Chip Roys need to be removed?

About 5 min ago when you defended MAGA calling for him to be primaried the day he was trying to block a swamp bill, bc Trump and MAGA Mike Johnson wanted the swamp bill passed.

You then informed he couldn't be trusted because he supported RDS for president

 

[thethe]

About 5 min ago when you defended MAGA calling for him to be primaried the day he was trying to block a swamp bill, bc Trump and MAGA Mike Johnson wanted the swamp bill passed.

You then informed he couldn't be trusted because he supported RDS for president

Fair enough - I didn't want RDS to not be Gov even though he did that just didn't ant him to be president.

I don't think Roy should be a prominent figure either for showing such poor judgement but lots of others need to be replaced before him.

 

[mqt]

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This is why I think McBride (and her team) are really good at this. Rather than give any air to the story of being misgendered, she just directs people to a speech that is exactly what Dems should be talking about right now instead of focusing on USAID:

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McBride does not concede on USAID but rather than dwelling on it or mentioning any social issues, McBride lays out a vision of what similar cuts could look like for programs that support the lower and middle class. McBride very noticeably draws on her constituents in a way that (to me at least, maybe I’m wrong) doesn’t come across as inauthentic, and has messaging discipline most in Congress sorely lack. I hate that the bar is so low that these two traits qualify as noteworthy, but I’m still impressed by McBride on merit thus far.

And before I hear from the “calling her a woman is compelled speech” brigade, I’ll remind you all that there was an active campaign to save “Big Balls” from leaving the government voluntarily and you’re all just fine calling him that because he made it his username.