2014 Roster & Payroll

PawPawMaxwell said:
If McCann is resigned (projected at 15-18M) add in Uggla, Upton and Upton you have almost 60M committed. What do you pay that Ace with? Just asking.
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Price made 10.1M in 2013 coming off a Cy Young season. He'll get a raise but it won't be that big considering he dropped off a bit. Probably to 13-15M.

Where do we find that if McCann is re-signed? Good question. In my opening post I allocated 6M to Hudson and 4M for Medlen. If we get Price presumably we don't sign Hudson and trade away Medlen. So that's 10M there saved that could be used to pay Price. The rest could come from the $5M that I assumed would be saved for mid-season trades, or we could not spend the $4M I assumed we would to bring back Venters and EOF. Our rotation would be Price, Minor, Teheran, Beachy, Wood.
 
nsacpi said:
So Gattis and Medlen for Price and Gattis and Minor for Price are "ain't no ways" tho for different reasons. Interesting.
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No, Gattis and Medlen/Minor isn't getting Price.

It will have to include one of Heyward, Simmons, Freeman.

If they got Myers+ for Shields, it will take a ton for Price.
 
Heyward said:
No, Gattis and Medlen/Minor isn't getting Price.

It will have to include one of Heyward, Simmons, Freeman.

If they got Myers+ for Shields, it will take a ton for Price.
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You might be right. I just think the Meyers for Shields trade was such a bad trade (from the Royals perspective) that the Rays may realize they aren't likely to find a trade partner for Price that is as dumb.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I think the projected payroll is low about 4-5 million but we should still have 15-20 mill to spend. The main problem us that we could be adding that much just in arb raises after the 2014 season.

I agree about going after Price. The Rays had worse attendance than expected and will be cutting payroll so there is little doubt he will be traded. I think they will want Alex Wood. If Wren parts with him I think a deal can get done. They will not want arbitration players like Medlen and Minor as center pieces of the deal. I expect them to want either Gattis ir Bethancourt. On top of that I expect them to ask for one if the low upside guys in the high minors like Terd, Pastor, La Stella, or Schafer and then one of the A ball high upside guys like Peraza, Cabrera, or Simms. Now we could always trade Kimbrel or someone else for prospects and use then in this trade as well.

Look at what other teams who will persue Price have to offer, that's what we have to beat. The Rays will want platers that they have control of for a long time but who are major league ready as well.
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You're on the right track. The Rays cannot afford Price and have a track record of trading guys like him, when they begin to peak out performance wise and get expensive. They need bats more than anything. Especially catchers who can hit, Lobaton's walkoff the other night was a fluke of massive proportions.

I'd beware of giving up a young, cheap starter like Wood (along with Gattis, of course) for Price. Price spent some time on the DL (for the first time, I think) this year, lost some velocity, and was generally not the pitcher he's been. He's still a top guy, the Shields comparison is workable here.

Rays attendance went down this year from already low numbers. They aren't getting a new ballpark anytime soon, the political environment here is toxic. They're a lock to cut payroll and simply pocket the new TV money. Price and Longoria are their only real expensive guys. Longoria will be good for many more years, not sure about Price so he'll be the one they'll try to trade.
 
The Rays will listen to offers on Price but I don't think they are in a hurry to trade. The increased TV revenues will more than offset the attendance drop. They have done their usual great job of not taking on bad contracts. Their obligations for next year will be quite low since they have a bunch of expiring contracts (nothing major but the deals for Kelly Johnson, Roberto Hernandez, James Loney, Luke Scott, Fernando Rodney, Matt Joyce, Jose Molina all run out). They will have to find replacements in some cases, but generally the Rays do a great job as bottom feeders. I think they see themselves as a strong contending team in 2014 and won't be looking to unload Price unless a compelling offer comes along. I think they are much more likely to trade him after the 2014 season.
 
We don't need to make whole sell changes but we need to make a few key changes.

1. Trade for an Ace! The past few years it has been clear that's what this team is missing. I say we trade Kris Medlen and Christian Bethancourt to the Rays for David Price

2. Trade Dan Uggla to anyone that would take him for some salary relief. Promote Tommy La Stella to play 2B.

3. Sign a couple of relief pitchers.

4. Play Ball!

Lineup:

Heyward - RF

Upton - LF

Freeman - 1B

Gattis - C

Johnson - 3B

La Stella - 2B

Simmons - SS

Upton - CF

Bench:

Laird - C

Schafer - OF

Pena - UT

Terdoslovich - OF/1B

Johnson - UT

Rotation:

Price - LHP

Teheran - RHP

Minor - LHP

Beachy - RHP

Wood - LHP
 
nsacpi said:
You might be right. I just think the Meyers for Shields trade was such a bad trade (from the Royals perspective) that the Rays may realize they aren't likely to find a trade partner for Price that is as dumb.
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Long range yes, but Shields ain't exactly chopped liver and Kansas City improved by 14 games from last year to this one. Where the Royals got totally hosed was in the secondary part of the deal which sent Montgomery, Odorizzi and Leonard to Tampa Bay for Davis and Eliot Johnson.

I'd take Shields at the right price.
 
50PoundHead said:
I'd take Shields at the right price.
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I'd be interested too. I think the Royals will try to sign him to a long-term deal. If he says no, it would make sense for them to trade him. Of course, Dayton Moore doesn't always do what makes sense.
 
jsebe10 said:
I miss Prado and Infante :(
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They're good complementary pieces. But with the type of team we have now, they'd be perfect. I think guys like La Stella and in a few years Peraza would fit in very well as table setters for all the power hitters we have. Even Pastornicky could provide a bit of that.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
As close as the Royals were to the postseason, no way they trade Shields.
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I agree. The Myers/Shields trade will be hotly debated for years, especially if Myers becomes the offensive player it appears he can be. But Shields is flat-out money. Very underrated pitcher.
 
50PoundHead said:
I agree. The Myers/Shields trade will be hotly debated for years, especially if Myers becomes the offensive player it appears he can be. But Shields is flat-out money. Very underrated pitcher.
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And unfortunately not the pitcher we need to achieve playoff success. In 6 career playoff starts, he owns an ugly 4.98 ERA. He'll also be 32 next year. He's a fringe ace type guy, we need a bonafide ace for the short series.
 
nsacpi said:
The Rays will listen to offers on Price but I don't think they are in a hurry to trade. The increased TV revenues will more than offset the attendance drop. They have done their usual great job of not taking on bad contracts. Their obligations for next year will be quite low since they have a bunch of expiring contracts (nothing major but the deals for Kelly Johnson, Roberto Hernandez, James Loney, Luke Scott, Fernando Rodney, Matt Joyce, Jose Molina all run out). They will have to find replacements in some cases, but generally the Rays do a great job as bottom feeders. I think they see themselves as a strong contending team in 2014 and won't be looking to unload Price unless a compelling offer comes along. I think they are much more likely to trade him after the 2014 season.
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The fact is, if they are serious about trading Price, there are plenty of other teams who have more to offer than we do. For starters, Texas needs to move Profar and the deal makes too much sense for them, unless they prefer to go after Stanton.
 
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