2015 June Draft Results Thread

nsacpi said:
So the good picks were by Roy Clark and the bad ones by JS?
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Listen, I don't know if the Devine pick came from above or not. I just remember the context the pick was made in and who our GM was at the time.

I also remember Tommy Hanson being picked in that draft.
 
I would be curious if we compared the drafts from 2008 - 2014 vs the 2001 - 2007 from just a WAR perspective... I have no idea how bad it would be.

I suppose 07 is going to trump everything bc of Heyward and Freeman. Plus it's tough to compare bc obviously the first list would have had more time to accumulate.

Nevermind - bad idea
 
chop2chip said:
The same guy who picked Heyward and Freeman the next season.

No one is saying that Clark batted a 1.000, but he definitely was superior to successor.
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I'll be glad to do a comparative analysis. But before I do that I need to know which were the Roy Clark drafts and which were the Frank Wren drafts. Can someone help me with that?
 
sturg33 said:
I would be curious if we compared the drafts from 2008 - 2014 vs the 2001 - 2007 from just a WAR perspective... I have no idea how bad it would be.

I suppose 07 is going to trump everything bc of Heyward and Freeman. Plus it's tough to compare bc obviously the first list would have had more time to accumulate.

Nevermind - bad idea
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Actually it is a good idea.
 
sturg33 said:
You mean Roy Clark the powerhouse? That man knows not what a bad pick is
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Roy Clark is one of the most respected scouting directors in history. It says something that 3/4 of the picks you attributed to Wren's supposed draft wizardry were all attributed to him and they weren't even his best successes.

Let's also not forget that the Braves almost never went over slot during his tenure because of budget constraints.
 
chop2chip said:
Roy Clark is one of the most respected scouting directors in history. It says something that 3/4 of the picks you attributed to Wren's supposed draft wizardry were all attributed to him and they weren't even his best successes.

Let's also not forget that the Braves almost never went over slot during his tenure because of budget constraints.
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I like Roy Clark
 
nsacpi said:
I'll be glad to do a comparative analysis. But before I do that I need to know which were the Roy Clark drafts and which were the Frank Wren drafts. Can someone help me with that?
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Sure.

Roy Clark left in 2009 and Frank Wren put his own guy in after that.

Do we want to look at the Braves draft history from 2010-2014 and compare it to Clark's?
 
nsacpi said:
Anyone know who was running the draft in 2005. To me the Joey Devine pick was as bad as the Gilmartin pick.
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That's why you don't draft for need in the MLB draft.

Clark isn't perfect, but I prefer him to DeMacio. Any scouting director is captive to the pursestrings, so that has to be part of the calculation.
 
nsacpi said:
Anyone know who was running the draft in 2005. To me the Joey Devine pick was as bad as the Gilmartin pick.
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Not in my opinion. The Devine pick actually made some sense to me. And Devine likely is a very good closer if he didn't blow his arm out. I don't mind finding a future closer in the first round if they are a pretty good bet to be an effective closer.
 
50PoundHead said:
That's why you don't draft for need in the MLB draft.

Clark isn't perfect, but I prefer him to DeMacio. Any scouting director is captive to the pursestrings, so that has to be part of the calculation.
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Controlling for spending is tough. The part I would control for is where we are drafting. Obviously the higher the picks and the larger the number of high picks, the higher the yield should be.
 
nsacpi said:
Which were the Roy Clark drafts?
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You know you can google this stuff for yourself. It's not that opaque.

2000-2009

For extra credit purposes, he was with Nationals from 2009-2011 (check out which players the Nats drafted in those years). He was with the Dodgers from 2012-2014 and you'll enjoy the list of players drafted in his tenure in Los Angeles as well.
 
Anyone have any analysis, specific or general, for today's selections heretofore? Any crystal-ball insights, [MENTION=54]50PoundHead[/MENTION]?
 
gilesfan said:
Not in my opinion. The Devine pick actually made some sense to me. And Devine likely is a very good closer if he didn't blow his arm out. I don't mind finding a future closer in the first round if they are a pretty good bet to be an effective closer.
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Philosophically, I think you want to draft with upside in mind with your first round pick. For me that rules out someone who projects as a reliever, even a good closer.
 
gilesfan said:
Not in my opinion. The Devine pick actually made some sense to me. And Devine likely is a very good closer if he didn't blow his arm out. I don't mind finding a future closer in the first round if they are a pretty good bet to be an effective closer.
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I'm not playing zito here, but Devine's arm action was a trainwreck waiting to happen.
 
jpx7 said:
Anyone have any analysis, specific or general, for today's selections heretofore? Any crystal-ball insights, [MENTION=54]50PoundHead[/MENTION]?
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A lot of half-court hook shots after the 15th round or so. They continue to load up on pitching, which is a bit of surprise. A couple of high school guys who might be tough to sign.

A lot of what I call loyalty/favor picks doled out to local coaches and beat scouts from this point onward. My guess is they'll nab a couple more catchers because you always need those in the rookie leagues.
 
chop2chip said:
You know you can google this stuff for yourself. It's not that opaque.

2000-2009

For extra credit purposes, he was with Nationals from 2009-2011 (check out which players the Nats drafted in those years). He was with the Dodgers from 2012-2014 and you'll enjoy the list of players drafted in his tenure in Los Angeles as well.
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Chuck LaMar's last draft appears to have been 1995. He was hired away in July that year by Tampa Bay. I'm trying to figure out who did the drafting in 1996-1999. Was it Clark? Snyder?
 
nsacpi said:
Philosophically, I think you want to draft with upside in mind with your first round pick. For me that rules out someone who projects as a reliever, even a good closer.
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In general, I agree. But, if you have a competitive team and need a closer in the short term, I don't have any issues with the pick. I mean, he was far more likely to be a major leaguer than probably any other option at the time.

Obviously I wouldn't want to make it a habit, but in some instances, I agree with it.
 
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