2015 June Draft Results Thread
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drewdat
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Nope, Mariano Rivera, Jr. is.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
To the extent there is a formula or recipe for success in the draft the Braves have stuck to it. In the first round and other early rounds, you really want to get the high upside players, who for the most part are high school players, with the occasional college pitcher mixed in.
If you want to break things down even more, the track record shows that high school pitchers are not that good an investment after the first round. So it makes sense to take two in the first round and then follow that with two high school hitters in the second round. The AJ Minter pick is very interesting. His stuff seems to have been very good and hopefully he comes back with all of it after the TJ surgery.
The draft formula changes a bit once you move to the middle rounds (4-10). Here you want to shift toward college players, especially pitchers. I'm not saying you don't take any high school players here. You should always have a mix on your draft board. But the mix should shift toward college players the deeper into the draft you get. Historically in the middle rounds, the Braves have gotten their best returns from college pitchers and their weakest returns from high school hitters.
Once you get into the late rounds (11 onward) college players should make up at least three quarters of your picks. Our drafting history suggests we should especially hold down the number of high school pitchers in this part of the draft.
If you want to break things down even more, the track record shows that high school pitchers are not that good an investment after the first round. So it makes sense to take two in the first round and then follow that with two high school hitters in the second round. The AJ Minter pick is very interesting. His stuff seems to have been very good and hopefully he comes back with all of it after the TJ surgery.
The draft formula changes a bit once you move to the middle rounds (4-10). Here you want to shift toward college players, especially pitchers. I'm not saying you don't take any high school players here. You should always have a mix on your draft board. But the mix should shift toward college players the deeper into the draft you get. Historically in the middle rounds, the Braves have gotten their best returns from college pitchers and their weakest returns from high school hitters.
Once you get into the late rounds (11 onward) college players should make up at least three quarters of your picks. Our drafting history suggests we should especially hold down the number of high school pitchers in this part of the draft.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Don't dream so small.
Excellent call here
Braves have a very good history under Clark at developing the hitters we do take. It's the draft, so getting all bent out of shape about it is useless. We'll take plenty of hitters. Some will work out (may be not with us) but most won't.
Also that strategy isn't a very good one imo. Since pitchers are more likely to get hurt or bust, then loading up on them simply makes sense, as improves your chances of hitting on a few. And with the attrition rate of pitchers, it makes it easier to replace them at the big league level.
This is not correct. We got like 10+ million just for our 1st 6 picks alone.
Elvislovedthebraves
Creepy Lurking Stalker
Skye Bolt? Is that a draftable player or a new Avengers character?
Afraid it's pretty tough to draw any correlation between the level of hitters available when the Cubs were getting those hitters - they were picked much earlier than any pick the Braves have had not named Mike Minor at #7...
Javier Baez - #9 in 2011
Albert Almora - #6 in 2012
Kris Bryant - #2 in 2013
Kyle Schwarber - #4 in 2014
those players were all considered "elite" hitters when they were taken, and all were taken much earlier than the Braves have had the opportunity to pick someone (other than Minor) since Mike Kelly (#2 in 1991), Chipper (#1 in 1990), Tyler Houston (#2 in 1989), and Steve Avery (#3 in 1988).
Since 1991, the Braves' 1st Round picks have been #s 21, 27, 26, 27, 35, 29, 29, 30, 38, 40, 24, 29, 40, 23 (Francoeur), 34, 35, 36 (Salty), 27, 41, 24, 38, 43, 14 (Heyward), 33, 40, 7 (Minor), 28, 21 (Sims), 31 (Hursh), and 32 (Davidson) - you just don't typically get impact bats when you're picking that low, but you can find impact arms from time-to-time.
You mention that they're "about to begin about a decade-long stretch of great baseball", and that may happen. However, it's much easier to hit on draft picks when you constantly have the opportunity to take players in the first 5-10 picks - after that 4 year stretch from 1988-1991 we went on a pretty good run ourselves. The difference? Ours was fueled by pitching. The Nats aren't the Nats if they didn't get Storen and Strasburg (#1 and #10 in 2009), Harper (#1 in 2010), and Rendon (#6 in 2011), plus their next big-time SP in Giolito (#16 in 2012). You have to REALLY suck for an extended period of time to have the chance to add that kind of impact talent via the draft over a short period.
I'd personally rather follow the old "Braves' Way" model and keep putting a competitive team on the field until we hit on some of those later picks than lose 90+ games for 3-4 years in a row, but that's just me.
zbhargrove
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Some sites have him as a top 50 player in the draft.
Rizzo and Russell were acquired via trades for - wait for it...
established SPs named Samardzija and Cashner.
They also have $6.6 million more to spend than the Braves - hence the Cameron pick.
I'm not especially happy with day one (at all), although I do like Allard's arm ... not worried about the 'injury' at all. As others have stated, would have preferred a more offensive-minded approach, but understand why the team went the way it did.
That being said, I'm completely willing to give Roy Clark and Bridges the benefit of the doubt on the other picks. Their collective track record stands pretty strongly on its own.
That being said, I'm completely willing to give Roy Clark and Bridges the benefit of the doubt on the other picks. Their collective track record stands pretty strongly on its own.
Tapate50
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I'd be very happy with either in my limited knowledge of them. We were connected to Chalmers early, not sure why the reason for the tumble unless he is the one we will have to overslot for.
I'm not a talent evaluator, nor am I sitting the Braves draft room and privy to signability concerns. However, based on how the draft developed and based on "experts" from draft services, I would have liked to see us select
14. Allard
28. Ke'Bryan
41. Betts
54. Donny Everett
75. Justin Hooper
This would have provided 3 high upside arms and 2 high upside bats. Again, the guys in our draft room know a heck of a lot more than the "experts", but I know these were all 5 players we have mentioned here as options for out top 2 selections. To come out with all 5 would have been a pipe dream, but now could have actually happened.
Having said all that, Allard seems a great first selection that we would not have the option to select if not for injury.
Soroka produced impressive results with the Canadian National Team against fairly decent competition.
Our scouts must believe in Riley as a potential middle of the order power bat. Taking 3 other pitchers and a defense first catcher with our other top 5 choices places a lot of pressure on this pick to click.
The reports on Herbert are very encouraging in terms of his defensive skill, baseball acumen and leadership ability. The fact that he was Allard's HS catcher is icing on the cake.
The Minter choice was a little puzzling. Seems to have good stuff, but is coming off TJ. May have been a signability selection, but surely would have preferred a high upside HS arm here.
Selecting what some consider to be potential reaches on Day 1 hopefully sets us up financially to be aggressive on Day 2. I wonder if Matuella could be an option for us. Hoping one of Everett, Matuella, Chalmers, Jalen or Hooper becomes our selection at 89.
14. Allard
28. Ke'Bryan
41. Betts
54. Donny Everett
75. Justin Hooper
This would have provided 3 high upside arms and 2 high upside bats. Again, the guys in our draft room know a heck of a lot more than the "experts", but I know these were all 5 players we have mentioned here as options for out top 2 selections. To come out with all 5 would have been a pipe dream, but now could have actually happened.
Having said all that, Allard seems a great first selection that we would not have the option to select if not for injury.
Soroka produced impressive results with the Canadian National Team against fairly decent competition.
Our scouts must believe in Riley as a potential middle of the order power bat. Taking 3 other pitchers and a defense first catcher with our other top 5 choices places a lot of pressure on this pick to click.
The reports on Herbert are very encouraging in terms of his defensive skill, baseball acumen and leadership ability. The fact that he was Allard's HS catcher is icing on the cake.
The Minter choice was a little puzzling. Seems to have good stuff, but is coming off TJ. May have been a signability selection, but surely would have preferred a high upside HS arm here.
Selecting what some consider to be potential reaches on Day 1 hopefully sets us up financially to be aggressive on Day 2. I wonder if Matuella could be an option for us. Hoping one of Everett, Matuella, Chalmers, Jalen or Hooper becomes our selection at 89.
Keep preaching CLV. Thank you so much.