2015 June Draft Results Thread

sturg33 said:
Well the Braves had some pretty damn good assets to deal this winter and didn't bring in much offense. The highlights were Miller, Jenkins, Fried, Folty, and Wisler
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If young offensive talent is at a premium, it's a reasonable assumption that it simply wasn't available for rental players?

I'm fine with the trade returns. It is hard to be disappointed with a ton of pitchers when those pitchers are all pitching great. You cite the Cubs as a team that rebuilt with young offense, but the Rays and Cardinals built their cores with young pitching. There are multiple ways to win.
 
thethe said:
Braves philosophy is to acquire a lot of pitching. Historically, they have used this pitching in many ways. One of which was to acquire hitters.
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I suppose it's just easier to agree with you since you are more devout to this FO than a radical muslim
 
There are a couple what might have been developments. Nikorak was taken the pick before we took Soroka, and Betts two picks before we took Herbert. That kind of stuff happens every draft. But it will be interesting to see how things unfold with those four. Nikorak and Betts both look to be very good value for where they were selected.
 
sturg33 said:
I suppose it's just easier to agree with you since you are more devout to this FO than a radical muslim
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Very necessary post.

Do you deny the Braves have used their surplus of pitching to acquire offense in the past?
 
No major concerns with the Allard and Herbert picks. Reports look encouraging and value seems fine. I might be one of the few who like our strategy of buying low on TJ guys, so I'm good with the Minter selection too. I just question whether we needed to spend the #28 and #41 picks for Soroka and Riley, respectively. If we ended up signing these guys under slot and are able to use the money effectively later, than no concerns. If not, I would have preferred to see us use at least one of these picks to take one of the other high upside players that the market valued this early in the draft. Ke'Bryan Hayes, for instance. If we went that route, there is still a good chance we still end up with all of these guys in addition to someone like Hayes. I'll let the rest of the draft play out, and we'll see if there is an overall vision that better explains these picks.
 
thethe said:
Very necessary post.

Do you deny the Braves have used their surplus of pitching to acquire offense in the past?
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Other than the Wainwright trade... I can think of much.

A lot of our offensive studs were drafted and developed - McCann, Freeman, Simmons, Heyward, etc.
 
dak said:
No major concerns with the Allard and Herbert picks. Reports look encouraging and value seems fine. I might be one of the few who like our strategy of buying low on TJ guys, so I'm good with the Minter selection too. I just question whether we needed to spend the #28 and #41 picks for Soroka and Riley, respectively. If we ended up signing these guys under slot and are able to use the money effectively later, than no concerns. If not, I would have preferred to see us use at least one of these picks to take one of the other high upside players that the market valued this early in the draft. Ke'Bryan Hayes, for instance. If we went that route, there is still a good chance we still end up with all of these guys in addition to someone like Hayes. I'll let the rest of the draft play out, and we'll see if there is an overall vision that better explains these picks.
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I think that's the point... Pretty much everyone was taken a pick too early (after Allard)
 
As far as Austin Riley goes, this is a player who would likely be a top 15 pick in 3 years if he goes to Mississippi State. So, while Atlanta may have reached a little to grab him based on the draft boards of people on the outside, this is a guy who was drafted with a long term view of what he can do. You guys wanted a corner infielder with some pop in his bat. Well, you got him.
 
dak said:
No major concerns with the Allard and Herbert picks. Reports look encouraging and value seems fine. I might be one of the few who like our strategy of buying low on TJ guys, so I'm good with the Minter selection too. I just question whether we needed to spend the #28 and #41 picks for Soroka and Riley, respectively. If we ended up signing these guys under slot and are able to use the money effectively later, than no concerns. If not, I would have preferred to see us use at least one of these picks to take one of the other high upside players that the market valued this early in the draft. Ke'Bryan Hayes, for instance. If we went that route, there is still a good chance we still end up with all of these guys in addition to someone like Hayes. I'll let the rest of the draft play out, and we'll see if there is an overall vision that better explains these picks.
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I would have liked Hayes as well. I disagree a bit with your depiction of Soroka and Riley as being under-slot guys. My guess is they will both be right around their slot value if and when they sign. Soroka rose fast in the last couple of weeks before the draft (and most of the ranking lists don't take that into account).
 
50PoundHead said:
I would have liked Hayes as well. I disagree a bit with your depiction of Soroka and Riley as being under-slot guys. My guess is they will both be right around their slot value if and when they sign. Soroka rose fast in the last couple of weeks before the draft (and most of the ranking lists don't take that into account).
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I also know for a fact that Riley has told people close to him that it would take life changing money to get him to sign. I think the Braves wanted him and drafted him at a slot where he would sign. He's going to get around $1.5 million to sign.
 
KB21 said:
As far as Austin Riley goes, this is a player who would likely be a top 15 pick in 3 years if he goes to Mississippi State. So, while Atlanta may have reached a little to grab him based on the draft boards of people on the outside, this is a guy who was drafted with a long term view of what he can do. You guys wanted a corner infielder with some pop in his bat. Well, you got him.
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That's a fair point. It's definitely difficult to be disappointed with taking high risk, high reward strategy.

Anything is better than the Sean Gilmartin draft strategy. The strategy of "if it all works out we got a #5 starter - that's valuable!" seemed doomed from the very beginning.

The draft is fine, but I think I like the players in last year's draft a little bit more. Davidson and Povse are already performing at a high level with Fulenchek and Sobotka remaining as high upside pitchers.
 
sturg33 said:
Other than the Wainwright trade... I can think of much.

A lot of our offensive studs were drafted and developed - McCann, Freeman, Simmons, Heyward, etc.
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Texiera
Nixon
McGriff
Grissom

Also, lets not forget that they had a deal for Barry Bonds in place which included a bunch of pitchers but Jim Leyland nixed the deal.
 
sturg33 said:
Other than the Wainwright trade... I can think of much.

A lot of our offensive studs were drafted and developed - McCann, Freeman, Simmons, Heyward, etc.
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Well... Justin Upton comes to mind. Delgado was definitely a major piece in that package.

Michael Bourn is another. Clemens and Oberholzer.

There are definite recent examples.
 
50PoundHead said:
I would have liked Hayes as well. I disagree a bit with your depiction of Soroka and Riley as being under-slot guys. My guess is they will both be right around their slot value if and when they sign. Soroka rose fast in the last couple of weeks before the draft (and most of the ranking lists don't take that into account).
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Yep, if the Braves believed strongly they were taking these two guys at market value and they were at risk of losing them, then the picks are defensible. I suppose we'll never know for sure. I guess I just prefer a more flexible, value-driven approach to drafting. In other words, don't fall in love with a 17 year old like Soroka at the risk of capitalizing on others that end up being available unexpectedly below perceived market value. It felt last night that we were willing to take on injury and development risks, but not "market" risks.
 
thethe said:
Texiera
Nixon
McGriff
Grissom

Also, lets not forget that they had a deal for Barry Bonds in place which included a bunch of pitchers but Jim Leyland nixed the deal.
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The Teix deal was centered around Andrus and Salty. I don't even remember the others.. but you've gone back two decades to pull an example
 
chop2chip said:
Well... Justin Upton comes to mind. Delgado was definitely a major piece in that package.

Michael Bourn is another. Clemens and Oberholzer.

There are definite recent examples.
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Prado was the key piece of that deal... and we also traded two other hitters - one of which is their starting SS
 
thethe said:
And they now have the necessary currency to trade for a bat when one becomes available. This rebuild was never going to happen overnight. Braves could go into next season with a legitimate 8 starting pitchers:

Teheran

Wood

Miller

Folty

Perez

Wisler

Banuelos

Jenkins

And they may even sign a pitcher in the offseason as well so that they can trade from their stable. So if you want the Cubs way then it looks like the Braves are on that path now.
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3 of the 8 haven't pitched in the majors and another 2 have very little major league experience. You list those 8 like the Braves have the pitching staff of the ages.

The Red Sox haven't had consistently high draft picks, but they have figured out a way to load up on talented position players. (not just because of money)
 
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