2016-2017 Off-Season Thread

Preacher said:
No more so than any other fan base.

Everybody always overrates their own, look at it this way, if the Braves had Sale on that contract and were looking to deal him; wouldn't we want guys like 'Swanson and Maitan' to be in that package?
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Yes, we would want it, but I think we would understand that it wasn't realistic. There's no way they could get our top 4 prospects, three of which are top 50 (and the 4th a top 100).... plus Maitan and a 4-5 WAR MLB player... that's just plain silly.

Tons of fans on that site are just saying "that gets the conversation started"
 
zbhargrove said:
I'm on board, but I'd still rather sign Turner and trade Garcia for whatever we can get.
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Right, but after taking on Sale's money, Shields' money, and signing Castro, there won't be any money left. Garcia is a perfectly capable short side of a platoon at 3B, especially at $500k.
 
Enscheff said:
Right, but after taking on Sale's money, Shields' money, and signing Castro, there won't be any money left. Garcia is a perfectly capable short side of a platoon at 3B, especially at $500k.
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I understand... Just talking about what I want... a platoon with Valbuena at third wouldn't be the worst scenario
 
I think anyway you look at it, Chicago fans are going to be highly disappointed with any prospect package they get in return for Sale. Teams are holding onto their main and best prospects and the market for those prospects are nearly as high as proven MLB players. Teams are just hesitant to include top 50 prospects. I wouldnt be shocked if we traded 2 top 50 guys, but to suggest a deal for sale has Swanson (the new hometown boy who everyone seems to love and could eventually be the face of the franchise) AND Maitan in the same deal, plus other top 100 guys is absurd to me. You can want that all you want, but i really dont see any team at all giving anything close to that. We will make a strong offer, and unless boston starts talking moncoda and others, I think we can get Sale for a price we can handle.
 
Braves fans will forever be delusional after we got that massive haul from Arizona. I'll expect perfect every single time we have a trade, now.
 
Shoenfield wrote an article on ESPN that suggested we trade Austin Riley and Chris Ellis to the Reds this offseason for Dan Straily. I like Straily, but would we get rid of Riley?
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Shoenfield wrote an article on ESPN that suggested we trade Austin Riley and Chris Ellis to the Reds this offseason for Dan Straily. I like Straily, but would we get rid of Riley?
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No way I would want to do that deal. Unless we were to acquire a long term 3B like Longo I can't see us trading Riley right now
 
Chico said:
No way I would want to do that deal. Unless we were to acquire a long term 3B like Longo I can't see us trading Riley right now
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Those were my thoughts. Longoria is still my prime 3B target. It would be amazing to get him and Archer, but my God that package would destroy us. lol
 
Enscheff said:
Dave Cameron just explained why the Braves shouldn't be the next team to follow the DBacks or Padres plan of moving up the competitive window too soon. It failed for them, and it will fail for the Braves too.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-braves-should-be-wary-of-becoming-the-diamondbacks/
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Well there ya go. If Dave said it then it must be true.

I'm not sure why he'd say the Padres though. The Padres did a good job of completely overhauling their farm system in the last two years. I think they're much further along than they were.

The D-backs were idiots. So the net effect is don't be an idiot.
 
Enscheff said:
Dave Cameron just explained why the Braves shouldn't be the next team to follow the DBacks or Padres plan of moving up the competitive window too soon. It failed for them, and it will fail for the Braves too.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-braves-should-be-wary-of-becoming-the-diamondbacks/
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I'm not a huge Cameron fan, but that article was well written.

Of course, it all depends on price paid. We can assume that the Sox are going to ask for the moon, but there's still a chance they value some of our players more than we do.

Honestly, you could make an argument that trading guys like Anderson and Maitan for Sale makes the most sense, since they have largest variance. I'm not advocating for that approach, but I think it makes more sense than trading from the upper reaches of our system.
 
chop2chip said:
I'm not a huge Cameron fan, but that article was well written.

Of course, it all depends on price paid. We can assume that the Sox are going to ask for the moon, but there's still a chance they value some of our players more than we do.

Honestly, you could make an argument that trading guys like Anderson and Maitan for Sale makes the most sense, since they have largest variance. I'm not advocating for that approach, but I think it makes more sense than trading from the upper reaches of our system.
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No no no. Maitan is like a 1.1 draft pick and who in there right mind would trade a 1.1, just after getting him, for pitching. Anyone who would do that should lose their job.
 
Food for thought from the FG chat (I'll skip the posts where he called a Sale trade stupid for the Braves without adding anything of any real substance):

Jack
9:05 Does a Sonny Gray to Atlanta deal make sense? If so, what would a return look like?
Jeff Sullivan
9:06 I have a very hard time seeing Gray getting traded this winter. Everyone in baseball would love to buy low, but the A's have no reason to *sell* low, so it would require some bidder to pay as if Gray just had a normal season. I don't see that happening

Matt
10:06 ATL should trade Inciarte, right? His value will never be higher, and ATL has a similar, albeit lesser, player in Mallex Smith. What's a reasonable return?
Jeff Sullivan
10:06 The one thing about this: if the Braves really think they're going to win in 2017, then shedding Inciarte hurts. But if they're pretty convinced Smith is ready to go, then Inciarte could be part of a package for something else
Personally, I do believe they should trade him

Mike_C
10:10 The Braves aren't ready to be good in 2017. Why is Coppy threatening to derail the rebuild just to add maybe 5 to 6 wins to the 2017 squad?
Jeff Sullivan
10:10 Swept up by last year's second half

(this fits the Sale trade scenario too)
Matt
10:12 Would Inciarte and Albeis or Newcomb be enough to get Quintana?
Jeff Sullivan
10:12 Inciarte and Albies might be enough to start a conversation, but if the White Sox are moving Quintana, I'm not convinced they'd be that interested in a guy like Inciarte, who will never be more valuable than he is at this moment
10:13 Moving Quintana means the White Sox are thinking about, like, 2019 and beyond. So they'd want prospects, not super-2 outfielders

Erik
10:36 Is there any precedent for teams attempting to dramatically accelerate their rebuild in the first year of a new stadium, like some expect the Braves to do? It seems illogical, but if it's been known to happen before I'd be more likely to believe it'll happen this time around.
Jeff Sullivan
10:37 I know the Marlins are unique, as organizations go, but they poured a bunch of money into the roster to coincide with entering Marlins Park. Then they sold again almost immediately
 
bravesfanMatt said:
No no no. Maitan is like a 1.1 draft pick and who in there right mind would trade a 1.1, just after getting him, for pitching. Anyone who would do that should lose their job.
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First off, Maitan is awesome. An absolute gem of a prospect and we are very lucky to have him.

But he's 16 years old with a wide variance of possible outcomes more so than even a standard 1.1

If you're playing the probability game, then it might make sense to use him in a trade as opposed to our group of elite guys in AA/AAA and the big league roster.

Personally, I think we should hold serve until next offseason.
 
Chico said:
Well there ya go. If Dave said it then it must be true.

I'm not sure why he'd say the Padres though. The Padres did a good job of completely overhauling their farm system in the last two years. I think they're much further along than they were.

The D-backs were idiots. So the net effect is don't be an idiot.
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You don't remember when the Padres traded for Wil Meyers, JUp, and Kimbrel in the same offseason and then sucked just like the DBacks? Their current rebuild is a direct result of them "going all in" before they should have.
 
Here is the depth chart for this current Braves team projected to win 74 games:

http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=16

Right off the bat, we can immediately add 1 win to Julio since has proven without much doubt he outperforms his peripherals by 1 win. That gets the Braves to 75 wins.

For some inexplicable reason they heavily regressed Ender's defensive value. He is elite defesively, it is a fact, so add 1 win to Ender. Now the Braves are at 76 wins.

Swanson and Freeman are probably both a little low, so lets add an additional win between the two of them. Up to 77 wins.

Call up Albies 1-2 months into the season to replace Jace, add 2 wins. Braves are now a 79 win team.

Sign Castro to replace Recker, add a win. The Braves now project to 80 wins.

Sign Valbuena to replace Ruiz, add another win. Up to 81 wins.

Now just add Sale to replace Wisler, without taking away anything from the MLB roster, and add 4 wins. The Braves are now an 85 win team.

So the Braves gutted the farm and got to 85 wins, and still missed the playoffs. And that is assuming they didn't have to give up ANY talent that contributed to those 85 wins to get Sale (which isn't likely).

Why? Why not wait until next offseason and trade for 4 years of Archer or some other Ace that becomes available?
 
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I wish I had their crystal ball. If I know one thing about baseball it's that it's predictable, maybe we should just give the rings to the team with the most projected WAR. I bet they win the world series every year.
 
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