Its just stupid. What is the possibility for Miller tomorrow if he has a day of rest? 3 innings?
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Its just stupid. What is the possibility for Miller tomorrow if he has a day of rest? 3 innings?
Amazing these stupid moves haven't blown up in his face, right?
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
To maybe rest Miller when you don't have to pitch him. I get that Francona is a good manager, but your defense of him here is kind of around the bend in that you don't even entertain an opposing view of the move.
And we'll have to see if those guys are needed. It's a seven-game series. We could have three extra-inning games in a row and you might want to protect yourself if that's the case. That is obviously a long-shot, but why carry all these guys if you simply aren't going to use them. Especially when you have two first-basemen who are terrible fielders.
In a 7 game sample, anyone could make good or bad moves and still win or lose.
At the point where the Indians brought Miller in they had a 99% chance of winning. There is a solid chance i could have pitched and the Indians could have still won.
msstate7
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I like you, Giles for sticking with it... this series won't see 7
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I understand if you have the snake pinned, you go ahead and chop off its head but again, Miller worked last night and now tonight.. If Miller blows a lead tomorrow, or is not available, TF will have some explaining to do.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
It is funny how the same guys who pull out the "anything can happen in the playoffs" defend outside the box decisions made during the playoffs.
To be honest, I have no clue. Cubs were down 2-1 to Dodgers and won 3 straight, right? They could easily do it vs. the Indians. The bats get rolling in one game and all of a sudden, it seems to snowball.
I dont watch much Kris Bryant during the season, but he has looked like the worst hitter in the majors in this series.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Good pitching will always win against good hitting. Both teams have good pitching. The Indians are just pitching better. The 'bats' are not slumping, they are just no match for quality pitching.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Beating Lester in Game 1 was really a key for the Indians. Hendricks and Lackey are decent, but not overpowering. Of course, outside of Kluber, the Indians' rotation isn't overpowering either. Indians have gotten leads and kept them.
The Indians have 2 really good pitchers. They have two pretty good ones in Otero and Allen. Lets not act like Tomlin, Bauer, Shaw, Macallister, and Clevinger are good pitchers. The Indians have done a pretty good job of minimizing the innings of the crappy pitchers; though they probably should use more of them in garbage time to save up the studs for high leverage spots.
I just believe in the way he manages. He's not flawless, I get it if someone wants to question his use of Miller.
But stupid? Please. If pitching Miller this much was going to tire him, it would tire him; sample size means nothing in that context.
Perhaps Francona knows his players? Regardless, he manages to win the game in front of him. And he's done a ton of postseason winning.
At this point, if you want to question him, it's on you to prove why it's dumb. Because he's sitting at 11-1 in the World Series.
I just find it funny that giles is one of the leading voices of 'use your best RP in the highest-leverage situations, not just at certain times' (and I certainly agree); then when a manager actually does it, now we're going to not-pick over whether he's using that RP too much.
And after all that, he's thrown 5.1 IP in 5 days. He's not in danger of over-use.
And after all that, he's thrown 5.1 IP in 5 days. He's not in danger of over-use.
cajunrevenge
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Depends on the reliever. A guy like Kimbrel really needs to start an inning with no one on base whereas Venters was the perfect guy to come in mid inning.
I'm not even sure what you are even getting at. They are using the best pitchers on the team in low leverage situations. That cannot be argued.
Cleveland could come in and blow the Cubs out tomorrow, but that doesnt mean it was the right move. Why ride guys when you don't have to?
Goodness. He has continually brought Miller in for high-leverage situations. I get that you don't view any moment in a game like this high-leverage, but that doesn't mean you have to hold him back for the next game.
He feels good, he can throw a lot of innings, so let him do it and make sure you don't give the Cubs any hopes of life.
His usage of his pitching staff has been masterful this postseason, but since you don't seem to like him for some reason, suddenly he is now being stupid.
But Maddon is a genius.
Tonight was not high leverage at all. Game 1 was not high leverage for Allen. In fact, they were some of the lowest leverage innings of the whole series.
I don't not think Maddon is a genius at all, I'm not sure what you even have in your mind.
As you are fond of saying, the postseason, and especially one series, is a small sample. In a sample that small where it is all that matters, those odds become less important. They're not wrong, but in a regular season with a lot of games, things will generally even out, so if you run with 99% odds, you'll be fine in the long run.
But in a short series, that 1% becomes more important. Because if you happen to fall into the 1 in every 100, it might cost you the series. So if you can get rid of even most of that 1% without severely hampering you beyond it (a judgment call, and Francona and Miller would know best), then I'm not going to call that stupid.
But in a short series, that 1% becomes more important. Because if you happen to fall into the 1 in every 100, it might cost you the series. So if you can get rid of even most of that 1% without severely hampering you beyond it (a judgment call, and Francona and Miller would know best), then I'm not going to call that stupid.