Emails and benghazi are non issues as far as election day is concerned. These are things the media drives down throats because there's nothing else to cover but your average voter could care less about Benghazi or deleted emails.
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Emails and benghazi are non issues as far as election day is concerned. These are things the media drives down throats because there's nothing else to cover but your average voter could care less about Benghazi or deleted emails.
People like you, who are all set to vote for whoever the democrats throw out there for the nomination don't think the emails are a big deal but a lot of people do. It's the people on the fence who will decide the election. I think a decent percent of those people do care about Hillary hiding emails and what not.
Oklahomahawk
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I agree with most of what you said, I've said for years the most important things for a candidate to do to win his/her party's nomination are the very same things that turn those "on the fence" as you put it (I actually like this description way better than Independents) off very quickly. Things like Hillary's emails or Benghazi are things the R base, especially the lunatic fringe of the R base love to chant about but to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca "if I were you I wouldn't bring up Paris, it's poor salesmanship". Most if not all the Rs do the same thing with their emails and a LOT more embassy folks were killed in way more attacks during W's 8 years than in Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State. I know Rs totally ignore those other attacks or make up some lame BS excuse for them but the fence crowd won't be so easy to sell if the Rs make this a major campaign point.
Hillary is very beatable but if the Rs want to beat her next year they're going to have to run a smart campaign not one based on blind hate, blind greed (oh the poor poor top 1%), and the "usual suspects" list of campaign talking points. I know you're an R and I really don't mean to insult you (I could really care less if the R party is offended by me, in fact I hope they are), but the Rs really don't have anything to run on except that the Ds suck and that approach works better during midterm elections than it does in presidential election years.
They don't. People will care about the economy. Which is exactly why the GOP is going all in so soon with benghazi and the emails. More you can distract from the economy they might have a chance of winning.
Oklahomahawk
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That's because the Rs have ZERO ideas on how to improve the economy for most Americans. If anyone will look with truly open (and preferably sober) eyes they can see every single thing the Rs have brought up or tried to do since their midterm wins is to benefit America's wealthiest, most pampered citizens, who have bought, hook, line, and sinker, into the BS lie that they're a martyr group and deserving of governmental protection, public sympathy, etc., I know I'll get that old Reagan "well, there you go again" crap for saying this but it's the God's honest truth, and since most of you are too young to actually remember Reagan I think I can make a better more honest and complete synopsis of him too if anyone is interested.
Most electable? Easily Bush.
Best? What's the criteria? Christie could probably get the most done -- by all accounts he's a bulldog. Graham would make an interesting SoS option (which is the only reason I think he's involved at all). Carson is a pretty smart guy.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Bill Maher said the Rs code name for Chris Christie was "Megabyte". lol I"m not judging though, Christie is a life long Dallas Cowboys fan and a Roger Staubach fan so he can't be all bad.
Sorry, but whether or not Ted Cruz uses his personal e-mail as a Senator is boring, non-interesting news. Now, the Secretary of State using her personal e-mail to conduct the affairs of state? And refusing to turn them over to a congressional committee? That's infinitely juicy and way more interesting than continuing to rehash the Iraq War (it's like people still arguing about Vietnam at this point).
Like I mentioned before, Republicans don't care about Benghazi (although they should, it was despicable work) -- they care about the other personal e-mails that they can potentially make public.
Yeah, I actually read a commentary that suggested Christie's weight struggles were a positive. Think about it ...
Oklahomahawk
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Only to the base. I"m telling you dude, if the Rs make emails and Benghazi the focus of their campaign they'll lose. I can't believe anything Hillary says/said is all that "juicy", now Bill on the other hand...
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
I assure you, I do, every single say. It's also something I'm going to do something about this summer.
Only to the base. I"m telling you dude, if the Rs make emails and Benghazi the focus of their campaign they'll lose. I can't believe anything Hillary says/said is all that "juicy", now Bill on the other hand...
I doubt they would make it the focus, but between Benghazi/Bill/Obama redux and the woman thing they are already lined up to have a field day.
I assure you, I do, every single say. It's also something I'm going to do something about this summer.
You gotta start in the spring to be ready for summer.
Basically any one of those polls, assuming the common margin of error is ~3-6%.
Oklahomahawk
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Too late for that at this point. At this point in life you just have to do what you can when you can. I just have to start making positive life changes or it may truly be too late sooner rather than later. I used to think having a doctor tell you NOT to exercise too much or NOT lose any weight was a good thing but that, like most of the times in life when people tell us what we WANT to hear it usually isn't what we NEED to hear.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Once again, it's the base that will cream themselves over this approach. The Rs truly need to get some strategies that really will help regular Americans. I know those who run the party truly don't give 2 ****es about regular Americans (except as as demographic and at voting time) but they need to come up with a more believable series of lies about it.
The base hates Hillary Clinton because she's Bill Clinton's husband and has been an opportunist wart since he left office. The swing is more interested in mudslinging as a basis for decision making. Sad, but true.
The Republican strategy is pretty basic if you ask me. Stop the taxing, stop the spending. Once that message starts getting repeated by every candidate at every possible juncture then it becomes much harder for Democrats to try and cling to the 'the 1% doesn't care' trope and exposes what is at the root of their growth strategy.
Americans want investment in infrastructure. Can't do that without spending. Dems need to hammer the infrastructure point.
I agree, but the Republicans are going to call Obama's $11 billion to California trains the 'track to nowhere' ... if you catch my drift.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/us/delays-persist-for-us-high-speed-rail.html?_r=0
Oklahomahawk
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Perhaps but just a couple of your statements that I believe that you believe are true but are absolutely NOT the truth. The Rs want to stop the taxing but only on the wealthiest Americans, and they definitely DO NOT want to stop the spending, see Tom Cotton (Darth Cheney's newest apprentice) and you'll see they want to pump BILLIONS more into the MIC and there's only two reasons you do that, to bribe those in the MIC and to prepare for yet another war to put on the credit card like W did in Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh and we've got to stop spending so much on food stamps, but every time they cut $3 from that budget they sneak $2 of those back into corporate welfare for companies like Monsanto. If the Rs run on cutting spending they'd best mean it and I don't think they do, at all.
And all I, or any other person, has to do to prove my point about the top 1%, top %5, etc., is show a breakdown of the wealth distribution in this country. I know Fox for one harps non stop about how everyone who wants to be rich and successful in this country already is and those who don't are just lazy. Try making that a focus for anyone but the base, and I know it will work for them but they pretty much had those folks at "bend over", and I also know they won't or can't read the chart breakdowns of this country's wealth distribution either but then how many of those are like the 50% of TEA party members in TX who really believe Obama is going to invade their state. I can tell you as a teacher sometimes, some days it seems like the supply of "fooking morans" in this country never ends but there really are more intelligent people out there on presidential election years than the Rs want to accept. After all "The Dems suck" is a great rallying cry for the R base and quite frankly it's true, but when you have nothing of your own to stand on, like the Rs, somebody WILL notice that during the nonstop information barrage of a presidential campaign.