A better question is why do you care? An even better one might be why aren't you jumping on someone else's bandwagon like gilesfan?
2016 Trade Deadline Rumors and Moves
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A better question is why do you care? An even better one might be why aren't you jumping on someone else's bandwagon like gilesfan?
Haven't we turned the corpse of Kelly Johnson into 3 solid pitching prospects? Didn't we rebuild Lucas Harrell, Bud Norris, Dario Alvarez and Hunter Cervenka into viable pitchers this year? Didn't we pick up Juan Uribe for a song and watch him become a solid regular for us before trading him?
Orphan Black
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
Olivera was not an "MLB" acquisition. Kemp trade is fine (at least they got rid of Olivera). Garcia has been fine on offense although his defense leaves a lot to be desired (plus he wasn't really an "MLB" acquisition either).
Southcack77
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On that list, the only one that really stands out as a major mistake to me is Oliveira, though the assets they flipped weren't nearly the big deal that some make them out to be. It was a definite failure though and I think they have risked a larger fail by turning it into Kemp. But, I'm not prepared to say that Kemp is definitely going to be terrible. I agree with a lot of folks that defensive ratings tend to be a bit overstated in valuation.
I just don't think there is any indication that the front office has tried to field a winning major league roster so I'm not going to hold what pretty obviously look like attempts to acquire low cost reclamation projects who can be flipped against them. They just wanted to keep a low payroll so they could use the money to absorb contracts for prospects and spend big in the drafts. That's how I see their strategy.
Some acquisitions that have gone pretty well? AJ, Cam Maybin, Uribe, Kelly Johnson, Shelby Miller, Inciarte, Mallex Smith, Grilli, Johnson, Vizcaino, Tyler Flowers, Bud Norris, Chacin, Harrell, Alvarez.
Also, I would invite you to look at what the majority of the assets traded away have done since leaving the Braves. Aside from Grilli, is there anyone gone that they didn't seem to have sold relatively high on based on performance?
The Braves aren't perfect and I think I'd rather they have traded Viz and Julio. I'm a little curious about Markakis though I don't think its been a signing that has been terrible or that has really hurt them in any way so far (but maybe going forward). Not hugely enthused by Kemp as I've said in more detail elsewhere, but without knowing the full plan, I'm not sure that it doesn't make sense.
If you accept that once they started the rebuild they weren't going to win for three or four years, nothing really looks that off. I'm not sure the Braves have the best front office in baseball, but I think they've been relatively competent in following through on the strategy and I can distinguish between moves they have made based on this circumstance as opposed to what they might want to do if they were close.
I will say that if Kemp is the kind of player they think will win, then I have some concern. I just think he is what they could get for nothing but cash that they could point to.
zbhargrove
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I'm pretty pumped about the Kemp deal personally. I would have liked to make more trades but we don't have any clue if we could have gotten the proper value. I'm just annoyed of your constant condescending snippy contents. We all know you're pissed and unhappy. Stop being a prick just because everyone doesn't agree with your perfect opinions.
Southcack77
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Heyward for Shelby Miller.
Perhaps you missed my sarcasm????
CrimsonCowboy
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According to new reports, the Dodgers told Puig not to report to Dodger Stadium and also told him he would be traded or sent to the minors
Southcack77
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I did not. I was adding to the list of good moves.
JxnMissFan
Gwinnett Bound
I don't understand the angst around here about not trading Johnson or Julio.
Johnson is only a rung or two above the trash heap. His time not with the Braves the last 3 years has been terrible. If I were a GM I wouldn't take a chance on him. The depth of the farm system makes it harder to match up with teams on trades. Why trade for a prospect that's no better than the one you have.
Have you looked at the free agents pitchers available this winter?? If Julio finishes strong his trade value is at an all time high still. Julio is better than any free agent pitcher. Remember there will be 20 to 25 teams buying this winter not the 5 to 8 buying now.
My only disappointment is Markakis didn't get traded. I would be ok with Frenchy playing RF until Mallex is back. I still like Markakis more than most people but he doesn't provide anything that Mallex and Ender can't.
Johnson is only a rung or two above the trash heap. His time not with the Braves the last 3 years has been terrible. If I were a GM I wouldn't take a chance on him. The depth of the farm system makes it harder to match up with teams on trades. Why trade for a prospect that's no better than the one you have.
Have you looked at the free agents pitchers available this winter?? If Julio finishes strong his trade value is at an all time high still. Julio is better than any free agent pitcher. Remember there will be 20 to 25 teams buying this winter not the 5 to 8 buying now.
My only disappointment is Markakis didn't get traded. I would be ok with Frenchy playing RF until Mallex is back. I still like Markakis more than most people but he doesn't provide anything that Mallex and Ender can't.
I did like the return for we got in our Rangers deal; i also liked the Kenp deal.
I think it was fine, we didn't win the deadline, but I certainly don't think it was the disaster you are making it out to be.
If we couldn't get a great return on trading JT - it's not worth trading him.
I was all for trading JJ and don't understand why he wasn't, but realistically what was he bringing back. You're this upset over missing out on a C prospect?
Perfect Cell
Lynchburg Prospect
Disapointed with what happened this year. Keeping Viz and Teheran and Johnson among others makes zero sense . The yankees sold the entire team and in 2 days aquired a better farm system than weve built in 2 years of the 2017 rebuilding plan.
You really need to go get laid.
I don't understand why people want to deal Viz when his value is super low - it's not smart to deal him for pennies on the dollar when we have years of control and he's very talented.
Yes this is a sellers market, but Arodys is damaged goods right now. I'd rather hang onto him and hopefully let him rebuild value.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I'm with you. It's not so much the fact that Julio wasn't traded when it almost certainly would have been the right thing to do. It's more about the tepid approach to the rebuild and the pure fantasy wish fulfillment going on in the front office. This team is not a nip and tuck away from being a supermodel. This team is a 900 pound hoarder in the midst of a heart attack with no exits big enough to accommodate.
The thing is, the FO recognized the need to rebuild and now that they are half way across the river, they want to turn and go back. They don't have the guts to face the music of public perception going into the new stadium. And they are going to bungle the rebuild trying to do both, but neither well.
Perfect Cell
Lynchburg Prospect
Before he got hurt his value was never higher, he was pitching the best he has in his career.
The thing is, the FO recognized the need to rebuild and now that they are half way across the river, they want to turn and go back. They don't have the guts to face the music of public perception going into the new stadium. And they are going to bungle the rebuild trying to do both, but neither well.
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And then he got hurt.