2018 MLB Draft Thread
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bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Just means we are due you damn quitter.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
if at first you fail try again...that's one philosophy
this reasoning..i don't like it.
Tapate50
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Don't see madrigal as realistic and we may be able to do better than Turang at that point with how its shaking out. Also- what pitchers would you target if those two aren't options?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
its not just us...there are patterns to the draft where returns on certain types of player are better in certain rounds
I'm not advocating being completely inflexible about this...just arrange your draft board so that there are fewer HS pitchers in the population under consideration for those rounds
But when it comes to what I call the early rounds outside the first round (supplemental, second and third rounds): we've done better with college pitchers (Wood, Kimbrel), HS hitters (McCann, Saltalamacchia, Freeman), and college hitters (Simmons).
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I have Bohm as my #1 wish list item, with Swaggerty hesitantly as #2.
Never really heard of Bart, but it would be great to get an actual catching prospect in the system that isn't pure pozzy hype (let the bitching about that comment begin).
The HS pitchers just don't excite me other than perhaps Stewart because he has improved this year. Some concerning comments about HS arms around #8:
McClanahan has "been hit around and has regressed across the board". No thanks.
Liberatore's "stuff waxes and wanes throughout his outings". I'll pass.
I'd rather see the Braves go after a prep hitter like Kelenic or Scott than another HS pitcher with questions.
So players I'd like (assuming Mize and Madrigal have no shot to fall to #8):
Bohm
Swaggerty
Bart
Kelenic
Scott
Stewart
That's 6 players plus 2 I assume will go Top 5...and the Braves pick 8. There is guaranteed to be a player available that I like when the Braves pick.
Never really heard of Bart, but it would be great to get an actual catching prospect in the system that isn't pure pozzy hype (let the bitching about that comment begin).
The HS pitchers just don't excite me other than perhaps Stewart because he has improved this year. Some concerning comments about HS arms around #8:
McClanahan has "been hit around and has regressed across the board". No thanks.
Liberatore's "stuff waxes and wanes throughout his outings". I'll pass.
I'd rather see the Braves go after a prep hitter like Kelenic or Scott than another HS pitcher with questions.
So players I'd like (assuming Mize and Madrigal have no shot to fall to #8):
Bohm
Swaggerty
Bart
Kelenic
Scott
Stewart
That's 6 players plus 2 I assume will go Top 5...and the Braves pick 8. There is guaranteed to be a player available that I like when the Braves pick.
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Pretty interesting look at AA's draft history...
http://toronto.locals.baseballprosp...thopoulos-and-shapiroatkins-blue-jays-drafts/
2010:
1.11 - Deck McGuire (College Pitcher)
1.34 - Aaron Sanchez (HS Pitcher)
1.38 - Noah Syndergaard (HS Pitcher)
1.41 - Asher Wojoiechowski (College Pitcher)
2.61 - Griffin Murphy (HS Pitcher)
2.69 - Kellen Sweeney (HS 3B)
2.80 - Justin Nicolino (HS Pitcher)
3.93 - Chris Hawkins (HS SS)
3.113 - Marcus Knecht (JC OF)
4.126 - Sam Dyson (College Pitcher)
2011:
1.21 - Tyler Beede (HS Pitcher) UNSIGNED
1.35 - Jacob Anderson (HS OF)
1.46 - Joe Musgrove (HS Pitcher)
1.53 - Dwight Smith Jr. (HS OF)
1.57 - Kevin Comer (HS Pitcher)
2.74 - Daniel Norris (HS Pitcher)
2.78 - Jeremy Gabryszwski (HS Pitcher)
3.108 - John Stilson (College Pitcher)
2012:
1.17 - D. J. Davis (HS OF)
1.22 - Marcus Stroman (College Pitcher)
1.50 - Matthew Smoral (HS Pitcher)
1.58 - Mitch Nat (HS 3B)
1.60 - Tyler Gonzales (HS Pitcher)
2.81 - Chase De Jong (HS Pitcher)
3.112 - Anthony Alford (HS OF)
2013:
1.10 - Phil Bickford (HS Pitcher) UNSIGNED
2.47 - Clinton Hollon (HS Pitcher)
3.83 - Patrick Murphy (HS Pitcher)
4.115 - Evan Smith (HS Pitcher)
2014:
1.9 - Jeff Hoffman (College Pitcher) Coming Off Of TJS
2.49 - Sean Reid-Foley (HS Pitcher)
3.83 - Nick Wells (HS Pitcher)
4.114 - Matt Morgan (HS C)
http://toronto.locals.baseballprosp...thopoulos-and-shapiroatkins-blue-jays-drafts/
2010:
1.11 - Deck McGuire (College Pitcher)
1.34 - Aaron Sanchez (HS Pitcher)
1.38 - Noah Syndergaard (HS Pitcher)
1.41 - Asher Wojoiechowski (College Pitcher)
2.61 - Griffin Murphy (HS Pitcher)
2.69 - Kellen Sweeney (HS 3B)
2.80 - Justin Nicolino (HS Pitcher)
3.93 - Chris Hawkins (HS SS)
3.113 - Marcus Knecht (JC OF)
4.126 - Sam Dyson (College Pitcher)
2011:
1.21 - Tyler Beede (HS Pitcher) UNSIGNED
1.35 - Jacob Anderson (HS OF)
1.46 - Joe Musgrove (HS Pitcher)
1.53 - Dwight Smith Jr. (HS OF)
1.57 - Kevin Comer (HS Pitcher)
2.74 - Daniel Norris (HS Pitcher)
2.78 - Jeremy Gabryszwski (HS Pitcher)
3.108 - John Stilson (College Pitcher)
2012:
1.17 - D. J. Davis (HS OF)
1.22 - Marcus Stroman (College Pitcher)
1.50 - Matthew Smoral (HS Pitcher)
1.58 - Mitch Nat (HS 3B)
1.60 - Tyler Gonzales (HS Pitcher)
2.81 - Chase De Jong (HS Pitcher)
3.112 - Anthony Alford (HS OF)
2013:
1.10 - Phil Bickford (HS Pitcher) UNSIGNED
2.47 - Clinton Hollon (HS Pitcher)
3.83 - Patrick Murphy (HS Pitcher)
4.115 - Evan Smith (HS Pitcher)
2014:
1.9 - Jeff Hoffman (College Pitcher) Coming Off Of TJS
2.49 - Sean Reid-Foley (HS Pitcher)
3.83 - Nick Wells (HS Pitcher)
4.114 - Matt Morgan (HS C)
Southcack77
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Not often highlighted around here, but his history and comments suggest he’s generally been on board with a pitching heavy approach to the draft.
He also wasn’t regarded as especially analytics driven in Toronto.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
A yuge number of HS pitchers. He did hit on some of them.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Madrigal can hit, but where does he play at the pro level?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Probably worth giving him an opportunity to stick at short. There are a lot of other possibilities--second, third, center, corner outfield. That's what I like about players like Madrigal and Turang. They have the hit tool. But also another path to success due to their potential for being above-average defenders at a variety of positions.
It's not just the Braves, drafting HS pitchers in the 2nd round is just a bad idea period during current draft history. There has been one top pitching prospect drafted in the second round from high school from the 2010-2017 drafts, and that's Mitch Keller from the Pirates. There have been barely any college pitchers worth a crap drafted in the 2nd round during that time frame either. Velaquez and Alex Wood are the only decent starters during that time frame.
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All the more reason to expect Hankins at #8 if he somehow slips that far - AA's apparent preference for Pitchers with high upside (and "misses" when drafting bats early) combined with the chance that a bat with upside (Beer, Conine, McCarthy, Bart, Gray, Groshans could slip to you in the Second Round makes me wonder at least. Hard to pass on an arm with that type of upside if there's not a "no-brainer" bat available.
that's more fair than just saying the braves haven't done well, considering it's a different FO and previous drafts don't have a relationship to this one.
There have been some that at least looked promising at one time. Nick Burdi, Duane Underwood, Justin Nicolino (drafted by AA).
Daniel Norris, also drafted by AA, was absolutely a top prospect.
There honestly haven't been a lot of great prospects/players drafted in the 2nd round over that time range, period. That's probably the case for most rounds after the 1st.
AA has actually had great success when drafting pitching of some kind between the late 1st and 2nd rounds (Syndergaard, Musgrove, Stroman, Hoffman, Reid-Foley, Nicolino, Norris). Does it do a lot of good to draw a line between the late 1st and 2nd rounds? I don't really know, especially since our 2nd round pick this year will come pretty close to the CBA round.
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