2018 Trade Deadline ROSTERBATION

clvclv said:
Where's he getting ABs in Gwinnett? Certainly not over Riley, and probably not over Ruiz. Maybe they'll play him at 2B.
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I suppose you missed the game yesterday, he played second base and went 0-3 with 2 K's. They may move him around a bit, just so he is in the line-up. He may even DH some like Kazmir did last night. But that won't effect Riley and probably won't Ruiz outside of maybe one regular rest off day. It's more likely to be others that may sit where he can play.
 
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So here's the million dollar question. The Braves won't be in the market for any of the big free agents, I'm sure of it. The Braves have a potential hole in RF/LF coming up.

Conversely, a team like the Cubs could perhaps consider making a move for Harper. So could the Braves make a move to bring Heyward back to the Braves? Heyward has found some old form recently, looks like if healthy he could perhaps be a 4+ WAR player again, though given his age there's a big issue of can his defensive value hold up.

So play this game, what do the cubs need, pitching and to free up money. Heyward is owed something like 110M. So we have to figure out what the value we value Heyward at.

Let's say Heyward we determine is easily worth 12M a year, that means we need to determine what it would take for the Cubs to kick in 50M. Gausman I think is a good start. Second is Fried. Is that doable for the Braves? Can they trade 2 semi-valuable pieces for a gamble? But that gamble could be a quality payoff.
 
Super said:
no on heyward. he won't be a 4-war player again. let's please look for someone more legitimate.
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If this year's offensive resurgence isn't an aberration (and general reports are it isn't, nothing is super out of line) he's pretty close to in line offensively 2014, while his defense and baserunning isn't what it was then, he could find himself in the 4+ range on an oddly good defensive season.
 
zitothebrave said:
If this year's offensive resurgence isn't an aberration (and general reports are it isn't, nothing is super out of line) he's pretty close to in line offensively 2014, while his defense and baserunning isn't what it was then, he could find himself in the 4+ range on an oddly good defensive season.
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His "resurgence" has him producing as a league average bat.

His defense is declining dramatically from its peak in 2014, as is almost always the case for players in their late 20s.

Hoping for an average hitter in his late 20s with declining defense to post a 4+ win season on the back of "an oddly good defensive season" seems like an extremely poor strategy.
 
zitothebrave said:
If this year's offensive resurgence isn't an aberration (and general reports are it isn't, nothing is super out of line) he's pretty close to in line offensively 2014, while his defense and baserunning isn't what it was then, he could find himself in the 4+ range on an oddly good defensive season.
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Is heyward your favorite player ever?

Seems like a lot of money and trouble to get someone who isn’t all that good.

One you lose the power from your face it never comes back.
 
zitothebrave said:
So here's the million dollar question. The Braves won't be in the market for any of the big free agents, I'm sure of it. The Braves have a potential hole in RF/LF coming up.

Conversely, a team like the Cubs could perhaps consider making a move for Harper. So could the Braves make a move to bring Heyward back to the Braves? Heyward has found some old form recently, looks like if healthy he could perhaps be a 4+ WAR player again, though given his age there's a big issue of can his defensive value hold up.

So play this game, what do the cubs need, pitching and to free up money. Heyward is owed something like 110M. So we have to figure out what the value we value Heyward at.

Let's say Heyward we determine is easily worth 12M a year, that means we need to determine what it would take for the Cubs to kick in 50M. Gausman I think is a good start. Second is Fried. Is that doable for the Braves? Can they trade 2 semi-valuable pieces for a gamble? But that gamble could be a quality payoff.
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Heyward does not have positive value with that contract. Gausman and Fried for Heyward is a terrible trade for us.
 
zitothebrave said:
So here's the million dollar question. The Braves won't be in the market for any of the big free agents, I'm sure of it. The Braves have a potential hole in RF/LF coming up.

Conversely, a team like the Cubs could perhaps consider making a move for Harper. So could the Braves make a move to bring Heyward back to the Braves? Heyward has found some old form recently, looks like if healthy he could perhaps be a 4+ WAR player again, though given his age there's a big issue of can his defensive value hold up.

So play this game, what do the cubs need, pitching and to free up money. Heyward is owed something like 110M. So we have to figure out what the value we value Heyward at.

Let's say Heyward we determine is easily worth 12M a year, that means we need to determine what it would take for the Cubs to kick in 50M. Gausman I think is a good start. Second is Fried. Is that doable for the Braves? Can they trade 2 semi-valuable pieces for a gamble? But that gamble could be a quality payoff.
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This.... was not.... well thought out. Basically what you are saying is that we make the Cubs kick in 50 million dollars just so Heyward doesn't have negative surplus value, and then give them Gausman (a solid veteran #3-#4) plus a top 100ish prospect in Fried just to sweeten the deal for the Cubs even more. For a player who hasn't produced over a 100 OPS+ since 2014 and has rapidly declining defense?

I think we have found the Cub's most expedient route to winning another World Series guys.
 
Enscheff said:
His "resurgence" has him producing as a league average bat.

His defense is declining dramatically from its peak in 2014, as is almost always the case for players in their late 20s.

Hoping for an average hitter in his late 20s with declining defense to post a 4+ win season on the back of "an oddly good defensive season" seems like an extremely poor strategy.
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We wouldn't need him to produce a 4+ WAR season to be of value at 12M a year. We've been paying Markakis 11M a year for an average fWAR of 1.6 per season. The 4 number was thrown out as a possible thing. Like he could perhaps be a 4 fWAR player not that I expect him to be that. I expect him to be about a 2-3 WAR player for the next 4-5 years.
 
The two Cubs players I have interest in this off-season are Happ and Zobrist. Switch hitters who can play infield or outfield.
 
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