NYCBrave
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I've always looked at Bowman as someone who writes fluff to appeal to the common fan. His stuff really isn't targeted to the die hard, knowledgeable fans of this board.
2019 Trade Deadline Thread:
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I've always looked at Bowman as someone who writes fluff to appeal to the common fan. His stuff really isn't targeted to the die hard, knowledgeable fans of this board.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
He’s still misleading the hypothetical “common fan” by dropping insane nuggets like “Bumgarner+Smith=Pache/Waters”. I struggle to have reason to believe that the Giants’ new FO would be that dumb.
NYCBrave
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And see that's just the thing. The majority of fans don't know any better, so they will find it believable.
nsacpi
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Southcack77
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Packaging those two together is probably their best chance of getting a real prospect out of them, but it won't be Pache or Waters.
nsacpi
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I suspect this is how the Giants play it. Similarly it would be smart for the Blue Jays to see if they can extract a single higher rated prospect for Stroman and Giles.
For us it might be smarter to go after Watson and make a trade with another team for a starting pitcher. I'd be happy with Wheeler and Watson. Maybe give up Muller for Wheeler and Davidson for Watson.
Tapate50
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I'd rather try em both in the pen down the stretch than send them packing. Especially Tuck D.
Southcack77
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the last power outage took out half of my reliever numbers. Rat farts!
By memory, I'm not sure Watson even qualifies as a leverage guy at this point. I'm pretty sure I had him lumped in with the middle relievers. Good enough to help the Braves pen, but not a primary acquisition.
K rate is lacking.
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there is no way I would trade Muller for any rentals and Davidson is a clear overpay for Watson.
nsacpi
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He's struggled against RHH this year (4.80 xFIP). Still very good against lefties (3.18)
Would be an upgrade over Blevins: 4.93 xFIP against RHH and 4.77 xFIP against LHH.
Oh I agree those are overpays. But I think this is going to be the nature of the beast at the trade deadline this year for teams looking for pitching.
Freshmaker
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Yeah we're almost assuredly going to have to overpay with so many teams in contention. Just going to have to brace ourselves - any of the names mentioned is going to cost more than what we'd like
jpx7
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I like Davidson, but for me he’s easily in the Zimmermann-type category of guys-I-like-but-would-definitely-move-in-a-fair-deal. Muller’s obviously in a rung up, but his command concerns (reliever risk) are enough that I could swallow the loss for a legit rotational upgrade.
speaking of, Zimmermann has pitched quite well in AA for Baltimore.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
He’s the only guy Anthopoulos traded last summer that I really thought had a good chance to contribute MLB value down the line. But, like Davidson, he’s an older prospect with (seemingly) limited absolute ceiling (plus the usual pitcher bust risks), so he’s the exact sort of player you have to be willing to trade for upgrades while still relentlessly pursuing value.
Trey Harris is a position player guy this year who I think fits that mould (à la JCE last year), though Harris’s deficits are very different from JCE’s.
nsacpi
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Davidson is having a very good season at age 23 in AA pitching in a ballpark that favors pitchers in a league that isn't using the juiced balls. I think we have quite a few pitchers with similar profiles. Guys who will likely make it to the majors and have an outside shot to be successful major league starting pitchers. I would rank him slightly behind a bunch of similar prospects (Muller, Ynoa, Wentz, Weigel). I'm not sure I would put him ahead of de la Cruz and Allard.
nsacpi
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I think Davidson has more upside than Zimmermann. The guy in our system who is more similar to Zimmermann is Kingham.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I was just about to post that clarifying addendum—I think Davidson, in 2019, is a better prospect than Zimmermann was in 2018: he’s pitching a level up, at the same age Zimmermann was last year, he’s pitching better than Zimmermann is this year at the same level, and reports are the cutter is a real weapon. But I’d still rank them in the same relative taxon.
For what it’s worth, just as I think Davidson’s marginally better than Zimmermann as a prospect, I think Zimmermann is a little more marginally better than Kingham (who’s really struggled with consistency). But they’re all comfortably tradeable in deals that bring real improvements to Atlanta.
nsacpi
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Yeah I would agree
Davidson circa 2019 slightly better than Zimmermann circa 2018 who in turn is slightly better than Kingham circa 2019.
Southcack77
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I think Watson is a veteran middle reliever that doesn't strike anyone out any more. I do not think he will be in demand, particularly.
I agree he's better than Blevins though and would be a worthy acquisition. Just should not cost anything.
Southcack77
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I just don't think the Braves should have to give up someone in the top 30 for a middle reliever rental.
I think Davidson is very disposable, but I'm aim to get more than Watson out of him. And I think he's more of a prospect than Zimmerman. He seems at the minimum like someone who might really play up in the pen if he's not a back end starter for someone.
I think the minor league reliever list is a better place to look for in targeting someone like Watson. Something entirely non-consequential.