2020 Field

nsacpi said:
Yup. Bernie voters and Warren voters are pretty different in their sensibilities. Successful well-educated women (Warren) versus angry financially-struggling men (Sanders). I exaggerate. But oil and water. It seems to me ideology is coming to matter less in American politics and sensibilities are coming to matter more.

But hey, the yut are gonna ride to Bernie's rescue.
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I think you misspelled “working class.”
 
A couple national polls:

CNN Biden up 10 over chosen one, Sanders up 7 over chosen one

Quinnipiac Biden up 11 over chosen one, Sanders up 7 over chosen one

Not dispositive, but certainly a hint as to which of Biden or Sanders will be stronger in the general elections.

I will support either one. And I think at this point both would start out as favored.
 
Carp said:
He called Hillary "Crooked Hillary" as well and narrowly squeezed out victories in swing states, despite her being a fairly terrible candidate overall. Trump calls everyone a name. It worked in 2016, but it's a tactic that wears thin fairly quickly.
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You realize pre-dementia Biden couldn't beat Hillary, so if Hillary is "fairly terrible" what does that make Biden? Extra fairly terrible with dementia?
 
zitothebrave said:
You realize pre-dementia Biden couldn't beat Hillary, so if Hillary is "fairly terrible" what does that make Biden? Extra fairly terrible with dementia?
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Different times.

I think you underestimate how many Republicans like nsacpi out there have left the party and want to get Trump out and hit the reset button ovee the revolution button.

I was a Bernie guy, but the more important factor is Trump getting out of office.

If millenials turned out for Bernie on super Tuesday he'd be the favorite. But they didn't so now time to focus energy on Biden.
 
I tend to think there are more republicans willing to vote for Trump this time around who didn't vote for him last time (I'm one of those) as opposed to folks like nscapi. I could be wrong, but seem like Trump has pretty strong republican support. I think if you're on the left and you watch shows like MSNBC and CNN it appears that there are more never trumpers than there really is.

I think it's going to come down to this virus. If it goes away and the economy comes back then Trump has a pretty good chance to win, unless there is some crazy October surprise out there. It's just hard to present Trump as an imminent threat that we must get rid of after 4 years of a pretty successful presidency. Again, this assumes that we come back strong from the virus.
 
Carp said:
He called Hillary "Crooked Hillary" as well and narrowly squeezed out victories in swing states, despite her being a fairly terrible candidate overall. Trump calls everyone a name. It worked in 2016, but it's a tactic that wears thin fairly quickly.
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That's a big bet to be placing on a presidential candidate with signs of dementia.
 
nsacpi said:
A couple national polls:

CNN Biden up 10 over chosen one, Sanders up 7 over chosen one

Quinnipiac Biden up 11 over chosen one, Sanders up 7 over chosen one

Not dispositive, but certainly a hint as to which of Biden or Sanders will be stronger in the general elections.

I will support either one. And I think at this point both would start out as favored.
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Biden and Sanders are well within the margin of error of each other. Which means that polls, which generally trend to older crowd, show potentially no difference between Biden and Sanders.

Also keep in mind that march 2016 polls Clinton was +10 or more to Trump. Don't trust the polls. Use your head. Biden will energize no one other than maybe the black vote, but Bernie could easily cut a deal to get Obama to campaign for him in Philly, Detroit, and Virginia to get the black vote out.

Seriously, the entirety of this election is being founded on Biden getting the Black vote because of his proximity to Obama, not his actions as a Senator. And because he's "safe"
 
The Chosen One said:
Different times.

I think you underestimate how many Republicans like nsacpi out there have left the party and want to get Trump out and hit the reset button ovee the revolution button.

I was a Bernie guy, but the more important factor is Trump getting out of office.

If millenials turned out for Bernie on super Tuesday he'd be the favorite. But they didn't so now time to focus energy on Biden.
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Millennials did show up on Super Tuesday. Bernie curb stomped Biden in California and pulled really close in Texas. I don't think of Virginia, Alabama, and Oklahoma as bastions of liberal youth.

There's nothing the Biden campaign wants more than to lock up these states now and get momentum, because a Bernie upset in a state like PA, MI or Wisconsin doesn't bode well for Biden as he's campaigning hard in those states.
 
zitothebrave said:
Millennials did show up on Super Tuesday. Bernie curb stomped Biden in California and pulled really close in Texas. I don't think of Virginia, Alabama, and Oklahoma as bastions of liberal youth.

There's nothing the Biden campaign wants more than to lock up these states now and get momentum, because a Bernie upset in a state like PA, MI or Wisconsin doesn't bode well for Biden as he's campaigning hard in those states.
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How are Cali and Texas gonna change whether it's Biden or Sanders?
 


These arent even the vicious ads Trump will run. These are by people that will probably "swallow it" and vote for Biden. I think thats a perfect slogan for their campaign "swallow it".
 
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