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acesfull86 said:
The costs manifest themselves in many ways. A cut back in hours, fewer fringe benefits, slower growth in new hires, possible layoffs.

The point is that there are always costs and trade offs of some kind, but one side of the debate wants to hijack it and ascribe moral superiority to their position.
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Sure. I'm simply stating that a reduction in hours to compensate for a higher wage shouldn't be looked at as only a negative.
 
thethe said:
Whats to explain? Employer sponsored plans are significantly cheaper than independently purchased insurance.
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It's the national average, so it includes both. And some absolutely pay $500 (or more) for employer sponsored insurance, not to mention deductibles that can be as high as $5k. I'm on my wife's plan through the State of TN and we currently pay over $350/month for health insurance alone (and we have great insurance). My current employer is a multi-billion dollar international company and the monthly premium is over $400 for inferior coverage (which is why I opted out). And I'm sure TN is probably on the low side.
 
sturg33 said:
And in return, the business (Sanders' campaign) gets less productivity due to the hours cut.
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Debatable. Studies show that companies that reduced employee work hours (but paid them the same) found their employees liked their jobs more and were more productive at work
 
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Carp said:
Debatable. Studies show that companies that reduced employee work hours (but paid them the same) found their employees liked their jobs more and were more productive at work
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You've got a guy who demands the entire country pay everyone $15 an hour.

This same guy doesn't pay his own employees $15 an hour until his employees call him out to the media saying they can't afford to work on their pay.

Then the guy says, fine. We'll give you $15 an hour but we're going to cut your hours.

The employees make no extra money. That's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is their hours get cut more than their pay increase (15%)... and the campaign can't hire more people because they can't afford the $15 wage.

That's the decisions businesses have to make that Bernie cavalierly demands they do. There are always tradeoffs... lost productivity, less employees, less hours, you name it. That's the point. I'm glad Bernie got a less in economics this month. He surely needed one.
 
Carp said:
Debatable. Studies show that companies that reduced employee work hours (but paid them the same) found their employees liked their jobs more and were more productive at work
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Its very difficult to make up for hours lost purely with more effort. At least in a large portion of occupation types.
 
The loss of production will be felt by the Sanders campaign, so in this instance, you can say it’s a rare case where an artificial wage increase benefited us all
 
He really needs to just go away. But he'll be on twitter tomorrow demanding random company makes too much money and treats employees unfairly

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I think it's cute that some of you think Bernie has a chance in hell of getting his economic agenda passed through Congress. There are Democrats who wont vote for it so Bernie would need more than a super majority in both houses of Congress to get this stuff passed.




We need Bernie to legalize marijuana and scale back the war on drugs. The economic boom from that will far outweigh any damage he can do to the economy. Odds are whoever wins is going to get the blame for the Trump crash anyways. That will be enough propaganda to fuel Republicans for 50 years.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I think it's cute that some of you think Bernie has a chance in hell of getting his economic agenda passed through Congress. There are Democrats who wont vote for it so Bernie would need more than a super majority in both houses of Congress to get this stuff passed.




We need Bernie to legalize marijuana and scale back the war on drugs. The economic boom from that will far outweigh any damage he can do to the economy. Odds are whoever wins is going to get the blame for the Trump crash anyways. That will be enough propaganda to fuel Republicans for 50 years.
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I love how woke you are about how the game is actually played. I wish more people could see how much of a fraud the GOP is. Not saying the Dems don't have issues or are perfect but the two teams are not even playing by the same rules. GOP keeps making up their own as they go along. And Trump is the shining example of that.

Big respect.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Its a curse more than a blessing.
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Pragmatic short-term victories that will have a lasting long-term effect.

That's the name of the game right now because the GOP since 2009 has thrown out "negotiating in good faith" out the window. Ask for the moon and complain when you don't get what you want by blaming the Dems.

It's all projection for Trump and the GOP.

It's easy to blame the otherside for not cooperating when you change the goal posts of starting point negotiations every week so you don't actually have to govern or be seen as compromising.

The GOP have turned Obama and Dems into such a mythical creature paradox that even being seen compromising with them is a sign of weakness. Besides, if they're as truly evil as they are why would you even negotiate with them to begin with? Like you and others have said for the last 2 years. Now that Trump is in office the GOP no longer cares about balanced budgets, deficits, or national debt. Come 2021 inauguration day if Donnie isn't up there we're going to hear about it again.

Everyone should have seen this when Obama gave Boehner and McConnell almost everything and bent over backwards on the Grand Bargain, and GOP leadership balked and refused even then.

In a democracy that works, when the spending party is in power it offers spending ideas and the conservative party's job is to minimize the spending and eradicate bad ideas but at the end of the day there's compromise. If the conservative party is in power, it's their job to find things to cut and its the minority party's job to minimize the damage by fighting to not cut things that are working. But we don't even get that with this Modern GOP Party. It's basically do as I say, whether I'm in the minority or majority.
 
Brian Tyler Cohen
@briantylercohen
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.@PeteButtigieg

: “I’m not scared of this president. This is a guy who was working on

Season 7 of Celebrity Apprentice when I was driving armored vehicles

outside the wire in Afghanistan.

I’m not afraid to take him on.”

God damn.
 
josie duffy rice
@jduffyrice
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1h
i am......baffled because I have truly never once heard a moderator
ask republicans how they are going to sell their cockamamie nonsensical ideas
to progressives?
 
Saikat Chakrabarti
@saikatc
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This was probably the standout exchange in the debate.

And @ewarren is totally right. This presidential race won't be

about left vs. right outside the pundit class --

it will be about the ambitious vs. the small-minded.

And ambitious vision is the way to beat Trump.


Elizabeth Warren
@ewarren
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I genuinely do not understand why anyone would go to all
the trouble of running for president just to get up on this stage
and talk about what’s not possible.
#DemDebate
 
I think we should give $1B to every American.

Anyone who doesn't agree is small minded and shouldnt be bothering us telling us we can't do things

Sheesh
 
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