2020 Trade Deadline Thread

CJ9 said:
Bowman wrote — with what I’m assuming was a straight face — that Clevinger would’ve cost Pache, Anderson AND possibly Waters. Hilarious.
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Given what SD paid for Clev, Waters and Wilson would be enough.
 
Heyward said:
We do have alot of money off the books. I think we re-sign Greene, probably bring back Neck, Hamels walks but add a FA SP to replace him, Contreras replaces Flo, bring back Ozuna if the money is right and the DH is in play, let MM walk.
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Wonder if we'd bring back Hamels next year very cheap coming off this injury ravaged year. Sort of a prove it contract.
 
As much as it sucks for fans, AA likely made the right call yesterday.

I mentioned several days ago that there had been reports mentioning that we can pretty much expect that all but the richest teams are likely going to be looking to cut payroll by as much as 20%-30% this winter. Jon Daniels admitted as much in an interview yesterday. AA gave himself lots of flexibility by not adding any future salary since he "sat on his hands" at the deadline. He's not going to have to make any tough decisions at this point - just let Melancon, Greene, Hamels, Flowers, and Markakis become free-agents and you've dropped 30.8% of your present payroll. You have in-house replacements for all those guys in Smith, Martin, Soroka, Contreras, and Waters. You can save another $3 million if Pache replaces Duvall, and $1 million plus if Shewmake replaces Hechavarria and Culberson and $1 million plus if Weigel/Ynoa/etc. replaces Luke Jackson.

As unlikely as it is that Riley's going to keep this up moving forward, there's at least a little hope. Ozuna's not going to get $18 million per from anyone this winter with everyone looking to cut costs, and there are likely going to be quite a few bargains out there. You spend his money bringing him back or on another right-handed DH/1B/OF bat and plugging holes and you've essentially brought this same team back while cutting salaries by over 20% even if you can't get someone to take some of Ender's money - especially if Folty's not brought back.
 
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I still think he was wrong. He needed to be more creative to find ways to turn some of our million AAAA arms into a guy 2 WAR pitcher who could pitch this year.

The good news is I still think this is the third best team in the NL. Second best team if Acuna and Albies are healthy. I don't think San Diego is in our league.

I guess in a seven game series you hope Fried can get you 2 wins, Anderson can get one and you find a way for the fourth win.
 
Now that the dust has settled, and seeing what the price tag was for Clevinger, still think we will regret not making the move for him. Sure, we don't know if we even are able to take on the salary, and we don't know what exactly the Padres wanted from us, but would have been more than happy to give up a comparable package to what the Padres did for him.
 
It all comes down to how well Folty, Hamels, etc. pitch when they come up. If they do well, AA made a good decision. If not....well....
 
TheBravos said:
It all comes down to how well Folty, Hamels, etc. pitch when they come up. If they do well, AA made a good decision. If not....well....
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You can make the argument that if Folty and/or Hamels are good that the Braves front office should be criticized more. Because that starts to look like an above average playoff rotation with a great pen and a very good lineup.
 
TheBravos said:
Pache BY HIMSELF would have been a big overpay. Waters alone would have been a slight overpay, but would have been on par. The total value of all players involved according to the trade simulator was just about the same value as Waters.
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what do you base Waters being more valuable than Clevinger on? one trade machine you used? i severely doubt a surplus value calculation will agree.
 
Heyward said:
Given what SD paid for Clev, Waters and Wilson would be enough.
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i disagree.
Cleveland wanted an OF ready to play. Waters is not that.
Quantrill is better than Wilson. easily.
Naylor is coming off solid minor league seasons and last time he was graded he was a 50FV, exactly what Waters is now. Waters has more upside but Naylor is probably safer.
 
Southcack77 said:
You can make the argument that if Folty and/or Hamels are good that the Braves front office should be criticized more. Because that starts to look like an above average playoff rotation with a great pen and a very good lineup.
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the Braves have a chance without them being good. if one or both of them
come back strong their chances improve.
 
Super said:
what do you base Waters being more valuable than Clevinger on? one trade machine you used? i severely doubt a surplus value calculation will agree.
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It was pretty accurate...actually. I guess you could agree that they had Waters high, but not Pache. The trade lined up well with what the Padres gave. None of those guys were in the top 100, so they were ranked pretty low. Maybe some of those guys will rise in the future (maybe Cleveland liked some of them), but the Padres did not give anyone up with much value. They just gave up a whole bunch of guys. Pache or Waters PLUS someone else would have been a pretty big overpay.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
So your saying as the number of good players increase our chances to win also improves.
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it’s tough to understand, but yes.
but no, southcack doesn’t think this team has much of a chance (or any at all). i think he was implying that even if Hamels and or Folty return and are solid, they still don’t have a chance, but would have had a chance if the FO improved the team more at the deadline.
 
TheBravos said:
It was pretty accurate...actually. I guess you could agree that they had Waters high, but not Pache. The trade lined up well with what the Padres gave. None of those guys were in the top 100, so they were ranked pretty low. Maybe some of those guys will rise in the future (maybe Cleveland liked some of them), but the Padres did not give anyone up with much value. They just gave up a whole bunch of guys. Pache or Waters PLUS someone else would have been a pretty big overpay.
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i don’t think Waters has much more value than Naylor, personally.
yes, Pache and Waters would be insane. agreed.
 
I have no faith in waters. His numbers seem fake. Hoping I am wrong. But cashing in on him this year was my hope. Maybe this offseason.
 
zbhargrove said:
Waters is certainly much more valuable than Naylor.
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based on what?
Naylor was a 50FV guy in 2019. that’s what Waters is now. he had really solid seasons in 2018 and 2019 in the minors. more sustainable than Waters’.
Naylor made it to the majors and wasn’t overwhelmed offensively.
 
Super said:
the Braves have a chance without them being good. if one or both of them
come back strong their chances improve.
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If the Braves find a second and third decent starter, then choosing not to add Clevinger smarts more, not less. Imo.

Because you could match up with anyone the first two turns then have a nice chance in g3 and g4.

If the Braves don't find solutions then they didn't have much of a chance anyway.
 
Super said:
it’s tough to understand, but yes.
but no, southcack doesn’t think this team has much of a chance (or any at all). i think he was implying that even if Hamels and or Folty return and are solid, they still don’t have a chance, but would have had a chance if the FO improved the team more at the deadline.
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Correct.
 
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