2023 Misc Braves Talk

The Phillies signing trout would be the best possible thing to happen in the history of anything. That would lock up all that stupid money for the rest of decade and provide no value to them.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I think State probably nailed it saying I am probably making more of this than needs to be. I actually didn't mean for a blow up on this.. just that when you see a tweet that says Braves are running out of arms and the team litterally threw Dodd, then Winas (who I actually like) and potentially a BP game with AJSS in 3 days.. it looks like another scrap heap pitcher might not have been a bad idea. Not for the playoffs, or to win the division, but to not tax the pen and make sure the team is fully healthy going into Oct. I suppose when they clinch #1 seed with a week to go, you might see some "IL" in the pen and starting rotation.
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A disposable,pitcher isa disposable pitcher. Spending assets on production you can get from AAAA talent isn’t wise.
 
Enscheff said:
Pure stupidity. Lorenzen started 18 games last year as well.

Actually, this is exactly what I wrote (bold added):



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Let me quote it again so you can read it verrrrry slowly: "he can start a playoff game or move to the BP in the event all of Strider/Fried/Wright/Morton are in top form in October."

Now Morton got rested, while Lorenzen got run into the ground. Had Lorenzen not been run into the ground, he probably wouldn't have been better than the .304 xwOBA Morton has posted since the deadline. So then, at that point, he would move behind Morton because he was in top form....which I will quote again:

"he can start a playoff game or move to the BP in the event all of Strider/Fried/Wright/Morton are in top form in October."

Can you understand the qualifying statement "if they are in top form"? Do you know what a "qualifying statement" is? Do you need a few minutes to look it up? Shall I post a link?

Elder and his .342 xwOBA in the same timeframe would likely have been bested by an uncooked Lorenzen, so I still think he would have pitched in the playoffs over him. Wright is still TBD, but we haven't seen him yet and time is quickly running out.

Seriously, this is written at about a 4th grade reading level. Please take your time, read it slowly, and try to follow it.
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What about "career journeyman middle reliever/starter" was hard to understand? I'm very aware he started 18 games last year. He was equally as mediocre and his current line is almost a mirror image to last years line. It's almost like he's the same mediocre pitcher he's always been. That isn't shocking to anyone who isn't a derp like yourself.


You can quote whatever you like. You specifically said he was likely to be better than both Morton and Elder. That was ALWAYS a laughable statement. The fact that you are still standing behind such a dumb statement is hilarious. Plenty of people pointed out how his track record suggested he was not nearly this good and that he would likely break down the more innings he threw. Now your trying to save face acting like the Phillies ruined him instead of admitting there was always a very high likelihood he would wear down regardless.
 
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Enscheff said:
I already covered in detail what I actually said about Lorenzen in the post immediately above this. At this point if folks choose to not understand the argument there's not really much more to discuss. The benefit of hindsight now knowing what Morton has done lately doesn't change the decision making process 6 weeks ago...no matter how much derp you want to inject into the discussion.
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Even without hindsight I found it pretty silly to suggest Lorenzen would be a better option than Morton. I sure as **** would not have trusted him more than Morton and said as much before their seasons took the turns they did.
 
Super said:
Ronald now walking more than striking out. Not exactly sure when the percentages flipped but flipped they have
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It’s like Ronald can flip a switch when he needs to and it’s amazing. He was stealing bases like crazy and was slacking in homers then all of a sudden he starts lifting the ball more to add more home runs. He can literally do what he wants at the plate.
 
Enscheff said:
You would be excited about 7 years of Trout and his list of injuries?
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Trout once someone can convince him to get off CF will be fine. He can't play CF anymore but a LF/DH hybrid will do him good. He's not like Andruw or Griffey who's knees/back were so shot their offense was effected, like he broke a bone in his hand this year. THat's not that concerning. Sure his back and calf injuries raise some questions, but he came back strong from them.

I'm not bullish on Trout being any more injury prone than a player in their 30s is.
 
zitothebrave said:
Trout once someone can convince him to get off CF will be fine. He can't play CF anymore but a LF/DH hybrid will do him good. He's not like Andruw or Griffey who's knees/back were so shot their offense was effected, like he broke a bone in his hand this year. THat's not that concerning. Sure his back and calf injuries raise some questions, but he came back strong from them.

I'm not bullish on Trout being any more injury prone than a player in their 30s is.
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Seven years though?

He seems like a perfect fit for Philly, maybe even the Mets. Let them bog down their payroll even further.

I have no doubt he can still hit, but don't expect him to be worth anywhere near the remaining value on his contract even if he's relatively healthy.
 
zitothebrave said:
Trout once someone can convince him to get off CF will be fine. He can't play CF anymore but a LF/DH hybrid will do him good. He's not like Andruw or Griffey who's knees/back were so shot their offense was effected, like he broke a bone in his hand this year. THat's not that concerning. Sure his back and calf injuries raise some questions, but he came back strong from them.

I'm not bullish on Trout being any more injury prone than a player in their 30s is.
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The back injury would be a major red flag for me. That’s an injury that’s truncated the careers of many great players.
 
thewupk said:
Imagine not signing Olson to that extension. What kind of contract would he be looking at in the offseason?
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I’ll tell you what. Now that it looks like Ohtani might not pitch again, I could see the argument for signing Olson over Ohtani.
 
chop2chip said:
I’ll tell you what. Now that it looks like Ohtani might not pitch again, I could see the argument for signing Olson over Ohtani.
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Assuming he’s a DH. I could definitely see him moving to RF and leading baseball in OOA. At that point he’s back to being a 10 WAR player.
 
chop2chip said:
I’ll tell you what. Now that it looks like Ohtani might not pitch again, I could see the argument for signing Olson over Ohtani.
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I'm wondering what kind of contract he will get. I'd put a huge innings based incentive into his deal. If he doesn't/can't pitch it would be top dollar for a slugger. If he can pitch that incentive kicks in for top level pitching.
 
thewupk said:
I'm wondering what kind of contract he will get. I'd put a huge innings based incentive into his deal. If he doesn't/can't pitch it would be top dollar for a slugger. If he can pitch that incentive kicks in for top level pitching.
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I think this is exactly what will happen. The deal will be reported as $500m but a good percentage of that will be tied up in incentives.
 
chop2chip said:
I think this is exactly what will happen. The deal will be reported as $500m but a good percentage of that will be tied up in incentives.
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True. It would make the most sense. Like give him a 10/300 contract (he would easily be worth that as a DH alone) with incentives both for pitching and for hitting. Like if he pitches 100 innings in a year he'll get a 5M bonus, if he pitches 200 innings he'll get a 10M bonus and if he gets 400 PA he'll get a 5M bonus. Which would get him to that 500M if he's healthy.
 
Ohtani was actually a great OF in Japan with, obviously, a big time arm out there, but has never played the position in MLB. I wonder if he would go back to playing OF if he can't pitch anymore?
 
Nerfherders said:
Ohtani was actually a great OF in Japan with, obviously, a big time arm out there, but has never played the position in MLB. I wonder if he would go back to playing OF if he can't pitch anymore?
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I'm ignorant on **** with arms like that, but wouldn't the implication be that if he can't pitch that he probably wouldn't have the strength/durability to make OF throws.
 
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