Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
The real clarity will occur when Occupy Democrats reposts what George Takei says.
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The real clarity will occur when Occupy Democrats reposts what George Takei says.
zbhargrove
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Kinda the duhduh and far right MO for the past 4+ years... if a Republican is EVER critical of Trump... they are no longer Republicans...
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
As mentioned elsewhere, it appears you were uninformed as to who he was. I'm well aware of him, I just don't find him impressive.
Probably should have gone with Larry the Cable Guy, Joe the Plumber, or Foxworthy as a Takei comparison.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Just so we're all clear, this is the part where you make stuff up to divert attention from how silly you look.
And to state it plainly, you're a damn liar to say I've ever justified slavery.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I think where you are wrong Jaw is in maintaining that people in the North did not view this as a fight over slavery...most of them plainly did...you can find some with other motivations...but i think it was the preeminent factor
and non-slaving southerners fought for slavery too...it is perplexing that they did this but that is what they did...i can only explain it as a form of tribalism (a phenomenon that has renewed itself with great vigor in our own times)...btw 100,000 white southerners to their credit fought for the Union...they are a group that no one seems eager to honor, but they are surely deserving of being remembered...they did so at great personal cost...ostracism by their families and other very strong forms of social pressure
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57Brave
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Let's take a word and the attached stigma out of this. Eliminate the word "slavery" and replace it with free labor
or in 20th-21st century parlance. --- labor where there was no wage floor
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the economy of the south without slavery was and still is unsustainable
that isn't even controversial
or in 20th-21st century parlance. --- labor where there was no wage floor
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the economy of the south without slavery was and still is unsustainable
that isn't even controversial
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Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Regarding the non slaving Southerners, perhaps you should examine your data inputs more critically if they lead to a conclusion you find so perplexing.
Also, the same North where slavery was still legal at the end of the war, was fighting the war in an effort to end slavery? To quote our President, "C'mon man!"
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
It's absolutely arguable, and proven false by the fact that there were thousands of non-slaving Confederate soldiers for every one who did own slaves. Again, as I say to you repeatedly, you need to examine the information you consume more critically.
57Brave
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In a speech known today as the Cornerstone Address, Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens described its ideology as centrally based
"upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition".[9]
"upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition".[9]
57Brave
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Cornerstone Speech
The new [Confederate] Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted.
The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
Alexander H. Stephens, speech to The Savannah Theatre. (March 21, 1861)
The new [Confederate] Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted.
The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
Alexander H. Stephens, speech to The Savannah Theatre. (March 21, 1861)