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mqt said:
1) I’m not going to argue the numbers, because as you said 300 compared to 20,000 is still the same argument.

2) Hamas started the war, and I agree Hamas is bad and shouldn’t be in power. But I’m not sold on Israel’s efforts to bring an end to the conflict when they’re destroying *everything* in Gaza.

3) If your family was murdered today by someone from Pakistan whose family was killed in a drone strike, you would just say “well I guess I had that coming.”
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Point number 3 is irrelevant. I am not an objective observer in that situation.

By the same logic, I suppose if Palestine attacked us and your family was murdered, you would just take it on the chin and allow them the keep murdering more Americans.
 
mqt said:
I would too! But I can’t say I’d be willing to sacrifice myself and my children to bring about that regime change. If the soldiers using my family as human shields said they would kill us all, I’d believe it and sit there being a shield. I’d subsequently hope that Canada doesn’t decide to blow me up anyway.
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History is littered with resistance movements. Non-Hamas Palestinians exceed the number of Hamas Palestinians. If they wanted change, they would make it happen.
 
Carp said:
Point number 3 is irrelevant. I am not an objective observer in that situation.

By the same logic, I suppose if Palestine attacked us and your family was murdered, you would just take it on the chin and allow them the keep murdering more Americans.
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I certainly wouldn’t accept America killing 100+ innocent families just to avenge mine.
 
mqt said:
Weird how there’s no causal link between violent crime rates and immigration then, since we’re all in mortal danger.
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Weird that you somehow continue to believe government data when they constantly lie to you.

Virtue signaling causing the country to collapse.

Question: Why do you think violent crime and rape skyrocketed in Sweden the last 15 years?
 
mqt said:
I certainly wouldn’t accept America killing 100+ innocent families just to avenge mine.
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So then you do support Germans in Nazi Germany, who weren't necessarily Nazi's but supported Hitler nonetheless?


I'm sorry, but this pie in the sky viewpoint is just not grounded in practicality. As the saying goes, War is Hell.
 
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Carp said:
History is littered with resistance movements. Non-Hamas Palestinians exceed the number of Hamas Palestinians. If they wanted change, they would make it happen.
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History is littered with bloody resistance movements. Typically an outside force isn’t simultaneously murdering all the people in those countries and destroying their cities.
 
mqt said:
History is littered with bloody resistance movements. Typically an outside force isn’t simultaneously murdering all the people in those countries and destroying their cities.
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They don't even have to take support from Israel. They could literally take support from any number of neighboring countries or any country in the West. It wouldn't exactly be the first time this has happened in a Arab region even in the last 2 decades.
 
Carp said:
So then you do support Germans in Nazi Germany?
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I don’t support them, but I wouldn’t have supported the killing of hundreds of thousands of them. It’s also not an apples-to-apples comparison because the Nazis were expansionists taking over other countries and killing their people. Hamas does not pose the same threat to Israel that the Nazis posed to the world, yet we’re supposed to accept that this war strategy is just?
 
Carp said:
They don't even have to take support from Israel. They could literally take support from any number of neighboring countries or any country in the West. It wouldn't exactly be the first time this has happened in a Arab region even in the last 2 decades.
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The civilians are a bit too busy dying to coordinate with the Western countries presently giving Israel the money and arms needed to kill them.
 
mqt said:
I don’t support them, but I wouldn’t have supported the killing of hundreds of thousands of them. It’s also not an apples-to-apples comparison because the Nazis were expansionists taking over other countries and killing their people. Hamas does not pose the same threat to Israel that the Nazis posed to the world, yet we’re supposed to accept that this war strategy is just?
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Hamas (and other neighboring Arab countries) literally want nothing more than the total destruction of Israel. How exactly is that not similar?
 
mqt said:
I don’t support them, but I wouldn’t have supported the killing of hundreds of thousands of them. It’s also not an apples-to-apples comparison because the Nazis were expansionists taking over other countries and killing their people. Hamas does not pose the same threat to Israel that the Nazis posed to the world, yet we’re supposed to accept that this war strategy is just?
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Why not? They certainly would have supported killing you.
 
Today's media is basically coordinating an effort to get him to drop put.

When he doesn't, they will.shoft their tone right back to where it was yesterday morning

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To clarify my positions on both immigration and war, I understand there’s a difference between ideology and governance. If you opened up all the borders and stopped spending on defense, the world would implode because not every person will share in that idealistic vision. I’m not naive to human nature or what the scarcity of resources will inevitably lead to in practice.

That does not need to change my belief system, though. Often in practice we’re talking about (relatively) minor changes in policy because the system isn’t designed for sweeping, radical change. So why wouldn’t I vote based on my ideals? Why should I, a person who is not writing policy or pressing any important buttons, cast a vote for someone who is *less* likely to bring about the changes I would want in the world or argue online not to bring about those changes? Having “noble” intentions is as far as I’m realistically going to get.
 
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