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Carp said:
If JD Vance were doing this while going to public schools to indoctrinate children, you might have a point.

I don't think anyone has made a stance that adults can't make these type of decisions for themselves.
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I'm all for live and let live. Parents can decide for themselves and their children without the rest of us butting in.
 
thethe said:
Can the parents do that as well withoiut teachers pushing their ideology?
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Absolutely. Schools and teachers should take care not to push political and/or social ideology. Speaking personally, at the end of the semester I want my students to be in the dark about my politics. I talk a lot about policy but in a way that doesn't indicate my own political leanings.
 
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Vance is a stud.

Trump will take all the arrows and then the new wave of populist leaders will fix the country.
 
thethe said:
And what do you think is happening in reality in the current period of time?
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It happens. And I'm ok with parents pushing back against it. We should inculcate some basic civic virtues but beyond that leave it to the kids to find their way politically.

As I've said though I think our kids are turning out ok for the most part. It is their parents' generation that is struggling with various thangs.
 
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acesfull86 said:
Sounds like another good reason to try school choice
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Yeah. Competition has been shown to yield better outcomes in education. The research is convincing.

For me education is the issue where the Democratic Party orthodoxy is the most problematic and harmful. The party is much too solicitous of the best interest of the teachers' unions at the expense of students.
 
nsacpi said:
I think when you are strenuous in your objections to blurring of gender roles, a little ridicule is fair game when a picture of this sort emerges. I'm glad to see JD had some fun as a young man. We should loosen up about thangs like nudity and cross dressing. Anything that gets us away from our puritanical hangups is a good thang.
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I understand your point but disagree. There are all sorts of ways that politicians show their hypocrisy that can be attacked without turning gender expression into a low-effort joke. It subtly reinforces that the reason Vance should be “embarrassed” is because it’s unnatural for him to dress this way. It turns what could be a productive conversation about why we think fashion choices must be gendered into an insult about cross-dressing.
 
Carp said:
If JD Vance were doing this while going to public schools to indoctrinate children, you might have a point.

I don't think anyone has made a stance that adults can't make these type of decisions for themselves.
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I don’t think this is even remotely true.
 
mqt said:
I don’t think this is even remotely true.
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Who is taking the stance that adults can't make these decisions by themselves?

Most of the outrage directed towards trans (other things involving children) has to do with forcing other people to accept the gender you say you are and catering towards them.

I don't know of anyone (certainly not politicians) that takes the stance that adults shouldn't be allowed to dress the way they want (other than blatant nudity) or get whatever surgery they think makes them feel better.
 
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Carp said:
Who is taking the stance that adults can't make these decisions by themselves?

Most of the outrage directed towards trans (other things involving children) has to do with forcing people to accept the gender you say you are and catering towards them.

I don't know of anyone (certainly not politicians) that takes the stance that adults shouldn't be allowed to dress the way they want (other than blatant nudity) or get whatever surgery they think makes them feel better.
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https://www.axios.com/2024/01/10/trans-care-adults-red-states

It’s not quite as common, but I think that’s at least partially strategic.
 
Carp said:
Who is taking the stance that adults can't make these decisions by themselves?

Most of the outrage directed towards trans (other things involving children) has to do with forcing people to accept the gender you say you are and catering towards them.

I don't know of anyone (certainly not politicians) that takes the stance that adults shouldn't be allowed to dress the way they want (other than blatant nudity) or get whatever surgery they think makes them feel better.
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This article is a little bit dated but contains some interesting information on the history of laws banning crossdressing.

https://www.history.com/news/stonewall-riots-lgbtq-drag-three-article-rule

There is also an extensive case law on whether employers may require someone to dress according to a certain gender identity. Fortunately, we have made progress on these and other matters. It has not been an easy and smooth path.
 
On June 15, 2020, the Supreme Court issued a landmark decision in a L.G.B.T. civil rights case that is important for employers to note, as it is likely to apply broadly to gender-based policies in the workplace.

In one of the three cases decided by the Supreme Court, it ruled in favor of Aimee Stephens, an employee who claimed that her former employer, R.G. & G.R. Harris Funeral Homes, Inc. (the Funeral Home), had fired her in violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII) when the Funeral Home prohibited her from representing herself, and dressing, as a woman while at work, as she transitioned from male to female.

https://www.dglaw.com/supreme-court...ning-employees-from-workplace-discrimination/

Trans people have had to fight hard to dress as they would like to.

Society generally and many politicians have been far from the live and let live ideal we profess to believe in. Instead they have opted for active oppression.
 
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