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thethe said:
Obama was an awful debater and an even worse president so not sure what your point is here....

Obama was a brilliant orator when his speechwriters would tell him exactly what to say.
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Romney was easily the best debater of any nominee that I can remember. Most of them have been sort of ok. Neither great nor awful. I thought Gore and W were both below average for different reasons. They kind of made each other look good.
 
nsacpi said:
Romney was easily the best debater of any nominee that I can remember. Most of them have been sort of ok. Neither great nor awful. I thought Gore and W were both below average for different reasons. They kind of made each other look good.
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When you have the entirety of the propaganda machine pushing 'BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN' you don't need to be a good debater (and of course the groundwork of a voter fraud machine).

Its a shame that Obama was carried against Romney because for all I hate about him he would have been an infinitely better president. But I suppose I should be happy because it brought about the Donald.
 
mqt said:
I guess the problem is I see debates themselves as largely ceremonial to begin with. Now admittedly I can’t say I understand the voter that doesn’t have an opinion on either candidate and watches the debate to decide on a candidate. With our increasingly polarized system, it boggles my mind. I would agree with your statement on where added value from a debate could be driven, but I think it’s a poor way to do it. How well someone can speak and adjust isn’t important to me. If it is to you, I would ask how well you thought Obama did as President.
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We tend to remember them for strange reasons. Dukakis' answer about a hypothetical rape of his wife, for example. It was a terrible question. And people marked down Dukakis for not giving an emotional answer. It was silly.
 
Hey - Maybe if Kommela would do any interviews or press conferences we wouldn't need to have a debate but this will most likely be the countries only chance to see Kommela answer questions and actually be challenged.
 
Should have gone to Arlington for a photo op, instead of explaining to people that no explanation would be suitable⁸8
 
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This is likely the best of what they have - Yikes.
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It's not a bad answer. Anyone who has concern about mitigating climate change has probably changed their views as to how best to do accomplish that. EVs versus hybrids for example. And of course there is politics. Sometimes you compromise a little because you need Pennsylvania's electoral votes or Senator Manchin's vote on a particular piece of legislation. Half a loaf and politics is the art of the possible and all that jazz.

Trump is recalibrating bigly on abortion. I think he is being a realist. I'm not a fan of his to put it mildly. But what he is doing on abortion is what any skillful politician would do.
 
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57Brave said:
Should have gone to Arlington for a photo op, instead of explaining to people that no explanation would be suitable⁸8
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Oh you mean the family members that lost their sons/daughters because of Biden/Harris incompetence that wanted to take pictures with Trump?
 
nsacpi said:
It's not a bad answer. Anyone who has concern about mitigating climate change has probably changed their views as to how best to do accomplish that. EVs versus hybrids for example. And of course there is politics. Sometimes you compromise a little because you need Pennsylvania's electoral votes or Senator Manchin's vote on a particular piece of legislation. Half a loaf and politics is the art of the possible and all that jazz.

Trump is recalibrating bigly on abortion. I think he is being a realist. I'm not a fan of his to put it mildly. But what he is doing on abortion is what any skillful politician would do.
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What is her change exactly? Its still CO2 counts which have already been shown to be close to irrelevant (planet is getting greener and sea temperatures have dropped).
 
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The contrast could not be more clear to the Indepdendents and moderate Dems of the country.

I think they will vote accordingly and we will have an earth shattering election.
 
btw we have enough specificity about the candidates tax and spending proposals to feed the numbers through models like Penn Wharton model...et presto

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i know some of y'all claim to be fiscal conservatives (the word claim is doing a lot of work there)
 
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This is fantastic news. He's gone from wanting to kill the ACA to wanting to expand it to cover the costs of IVF. Not all changes of position are bad!!
 
Promoting policies for more babies is a great thing. Especially in a way that doesn't let your enemy win elections.
 
Of course, if government pays for IVF it will increase the deficit even more (at least until those babies turn into taxpayers). Just pointing that out for all the folks around here who claim to be fiscal conservatives.

Personally, I'd just leave things where they are.

But given the choice between A) Killing the ACA and B) keeping the ACA and expanding it to cover IVF I would take B.

In a perfect world I'd take C) Just leave the ACA as is
 
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I support policies that facilitate more families because I believe that the value to the country of more family units cannot be quantified in traditional models.
 
Most of all I'm delighted that ending the ACA is no longer part of the Republican platform. We all can learn and evolve!!

And I'm not gonna pout cuz none of this evolving position on the ACA and IVF can be found in a document with an easy-to-use index!!
 
nsacpi said:
Most of all I'm delighted that ending the ACA is no longer part of the Republican platform. We all can learn and evolve!!

And I'm not gonna pout cuz none of this evolving position on the ACA and IVF can be found in a document with an easy-to-use index!!
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Leftists in general should be thrilled that regardless of outcomes they will get more socialism
 
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