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Garmel said:
Most of your ilk does label everything Socialism/Communism so you can't put the blame all on us. Look at sturg for example.

The fact that you're okay with a 40 hour work week, which is much more invasive that cracking down on credit card interest, shows you're not that consistent.
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I don’t love all the implications of a 40 hour work week and wouldn’t shed a tear if it was reformed, I despise the minimum wage, and I’m totally in favor of most labor laws pertaining to those under 18 years old.

Not sure when these laws became the communism/not communism dividing line.

Also think it’s worth noting they’re actually laws, as in passed by Congress, after going through the legislative process.
 
acesfull86 said:
Anyone want to take a crack at telling us the “right” level of profit a credit card company should earn?
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I am not taking a stance on this at the moment, but some states already cap fees and interest rates on credit cards. So it isn't as taboo as you are making it out to be.
 
Carp said:
I am not taking a stance on this at the moment, but some states already cap fees and interest rates on credit cards. So it isn't as taboo as you are making it out to be.
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Usury laws have been in place for a LONG time.
 
thethe said:
What is the impact to the economy when people become impovershed by effectively usury rates?

Does that increase crime levels?

Does it increase children being grown up in bad situtations?

Does it increase calls for more welfare?
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You are actually describing a socialist worldview.
 
thethe said:
What is the impact to the economy when people become impovershed by effectively usury rates?

Does that increase crime levels?

Does it increase children being grown up in bad situtations?

Does it increase calls for more welfare?
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I don't care what the impact to the economy is amd could never quantify it. That's what the market is for. There is a private party offering a product that an individual can voluntary accept or decline. That's freedom

If you think you can centrally decide the "right" calculations to optimize the economy, then you are no different from every socialist whoever existed

Speaking of, why don't you favor canceling student loan debt?
 
chop2chip said:
You are actually describing a socialist worldview.
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In this scenario I'm actually describing a real world view.

If the argument that sturg is making that he only supports regulation when it impacts other people then what is the argument that usury rates don't result in what I described which impact other people.

The answer is that this is all intertwinded so making the argument that one regulation is good and the other is bad on the premise of impacts to the whole country doesn't hold a lot of water when you go further than first order thinking.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't care what the impact to the economy is amd could never quantify it. That's what the market is for. There is a private party offering a product that an individual can voluntary accept or decline. That's freedom

If you think you can centrally decide the "right" calculations to optimize the economy, then you are no different from every socialist whoever existed

Speaking of, why don't you favor canceling student loan debt?
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Does poverty increase crime rates?

Who is impacted by crime?

Its a very simple calcuation.
 
cajunrevenge said:
You want to say that about 2016 that's fine. I meant he wasn't very bright to begin with. Neither was Joe Biden. If you think he isn't in serious cognitive decline right now you aren't paying attention. Just the other day he was talking about how hot a woman was. It wasn't a man. He brags about passing a dementia test and insists it's an IQ test which few could pass. He can barely talk anymore. His sentences are shorter. His energy is way down from 2016.
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You clearly aren't watching Trump.
 
Carp said:
I am not taking a stance on this at the moment, but some states already cap fees and interest rates on credit cards. So it isn't as taboo as you are making it out to be.
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I’m not trying to make it out to be taboo…I just think it’s a terrible idea. And I question the constitutionality of a POTUS intervening in private industry in this way. And I question why supporters who’ve been eager to label the other side as communist are supporting this. Find it hard to imagine (R) here supporting this proposal had it happened to originate with Harris.
 
You are allowed to criticize Donald Trump and still vote for him.

I knew the the would support this without blinking an eye.

But I’m surprised that garmel and tapate are defending price caps.
 
thethe said:
In this scenario I'm actually describing a real world view.

If the argument that sturg is making that he only supports regulation when it impacts other people then what is the argument that usury rates don't result in what I described which impact other people.

The answer is that this is all intertwinded so making the argument that one regulation is good and the other is bad on the premise of impacts to the whole country doesn't hold a lot of water when you go further than first order thinking.
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Literally everything impacts everything in some capacity.

The fed determining interest rates impacts us all. People taking loans out for businesses impacts us all. You could make this retarded argument about literally anything

What im saying is my limit is when a direct action (market fraud) creates involuntary, innocent victims. We can actually determine that in reality without needing a theoretical downstream PhD impact analysis
 
chop2chip said:
You are allowed to criticize Donald Trump and still vote for him.

I knew the the would support this without blinking an eye.

But I’m surprised that garmel and tapate are defending price caps.
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Did I support SALT cap deduction removal?
 
sturg33 said:
Literally everything impacts everything in some capacity.

The fed determining interest rates impacts us all. People taking loans out for businesses impacts us all. You could make this retarded argument about literally anything

What im saying is my limit is when a direct action (market fraud) creates involuntary, innocent victims. We can actually determine that in reality without needing a theoretical downstream PhD impact analysis
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Its not difficult to make the connection between borderline usury rates --> Poverty --->crime --->other individuals impacted
 
thethe said:
In this scenario I'm actually describing a real world view.

If the argument that sturg is making that he only supports regulation when it impacts other people then what is the argument that usury rates don't result in what I described which impact other people.

The answer is that this is all intertwinded so making the argument that one regulation is good and the other is bad on the premise of impacts to the whole country doesn't hold a lot of water when you go further than first order thinking.
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Thats fine but you think central planning is the only way to have a fair and equitable society. Do you disagree?
 
sturg33 said:
I don't care what the impact to the economy is amd could never quantify it. That's what the market is for. There is a private party offering a product that an individual can voluntary accept or decline. That's freedom

If you think you can centrally decide the "right" calculations to optimize the economy, then you are no different from every socialist whoever existed

Speaking of, why don't you favor canceling student loan debt?
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Burdensome student debt increases poverty. Poverty increases crime, which increases the chances of children being brought up in bad situations, which increases calls for welfare.

Is this what getting past first order thinking looks like?
 
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