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Trump urged Oz to declare victory, saying “It makes it much harder for them to cheat with ballots that they ‘just happened to find.'”

beyond stupid and irresponsible and entirely in character

oh and he behaved similarly when he lost the Iowa caucus to Cruz...lots of crying and whining about fraud...like a whiny little prick...to coin a phrase
 
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Here I am still bitter about the outright fraud that was the 2012 Republican primary and all these people who falsely claim voter fraud now were just fine with that ****. In fact Trump endorsed Mitt Romney instead of Ron Paul who aligned far more with the issues MAGA cared about like border, immigration, taxes, regulations, anti-war, and less government spending.
 
This dude is on multiple videos as pro abortion, pro gun grabbing, pro trans "affirmation." But he kissed the ring, so he got the endorsement. Barring some crazy stroke of fortune for McCormick, PA will have two leftists competing in the general election.

I think thethe is just guilty of being too loyal to the guy, and too invested in other trees to see the forest.

It's gonna be desantis, and the country is gonna benefit greatly
 
It's gonna be desantis, and the country is gonna benefit greatly

He's exactly what the Right needs right now so I hope so.

I did my part for 2022 by voting against MTG in the primary, not that it will do any good. I do expect Kemp to beat Abrams by enough that we won't ever get concerned, and losing twice should end her reign over the Chicago machine she's set up.
 
He's exactly what the Right needs right now so I hope so.

I did my part for 2022 by voting against MTG in the primary, not that it will do any good. I do expect Kemp to beat Abrams by enough that we won't ever get concerned, and losing twice should end her reign over the Chicago machine she's set up.

I know this has probably been addressed in the past but what is the main "turn off factor" with John Kasich? I seem to remember the calling him too plain vanilla and boring but that has been a while. I may be misremembering. The times I've seen him on TV he seemed like a reasonable "non-freaking insane" person.

I'd like to know what you guys think about him though.
 
Trump urged Oz to declare victory, saying “It makes it much harder for them to cheat with ballots that they ‘just happened to find.'”

beyond stupid and irresponsible and entirely in character

oh and he behaved similarly when he lost the Iowa caucus to Cruz...lots of crying and whining about fraud...like a whiny little prick...to coin a phrase

Ok.
 
I know this has probably been addressed in the past but what is the main "turn off factor" with John Kasich? I seem to remember the calling him too plain vanilla and boring but that has been a while. I may be misremembering. The times I've seen him on TV he seemed like a reasonable "non-freaking insane" person.

I'd like to know what you guys think about him though.

Here's a summary of things he's said on various issues.

https://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kasich.htm

Reading through them reinforces the feeling I've always gotten from him, that he has no real principles other than to attempt to be everything to everyone by just adjusting his position to whatever he thinks is moderate on each issue.
 
Here's a summary of things he's said on various issues.

https://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kasich.htm

Reading through them reinforces the feeling I've always gotten from him, that he has no real principles other than to attempt to be everything to everyone by just adjusting his position to whatever he thinks is moderate on each issue.


His stance on marijuana says otherwise. I dont know which side legalization would even be considered now because even the far right support legalization, they just like prohibition because it can be used to lock up black people. The only real demographic who dont support legalization are old bible thumpers. Thankfully the coronavirus has caused their numbers to shrink a good bit.
 
Republican governors hatched the plan months ago. Meeting at the desert Biltmore resort in Phoenix in mid-November, they agreed to confront a new threat to their incumbents: Former president Donald Trump was ramping up support for primary challengers as part of what one former governor called “a personal vendetta tour.”

To protect incumbents up for reelection this year, the Republican Governors Association decided to spend millions of dollars in primaries, an unusual step for an organization that typically reserves its cash for general election matchups against Democrats.

“The focus is on 2022. I don’t believe we should spend one more moment talking about 2020,” Republican Governors Association Co-Chairman Doug Ducey said in an interview with The Washington Post. Asked if Trump’s help for his preferred candidates was worth much, the Arizona governor, who pointed to states where GOP governors avoided or defeated Trump challengers, replied: “It hasn’t been to date.”

It’s Trump vs. Pence in the Georgia gubernatorial primary on Tuesday — sort of — after Pence made the intriguing decision to come in late for a candidate Trump hates: Gov. Brian Kemp (R).

It’s possible to oversell the significance of this; Mike Pence has backed establishment-oriented GOP candidates like Kemp before. But Pence had to know this would be provocative to Trump, and decided to do it anyway, even opting to make a public appearance for Kemp on the eve of the primary.

It now looks like it’ll pan out quite nicely. Kemp led former senator David Perdue (R-Ga.) 60 percent to 32 percent in a recent Fox News poll, further cementing him as the odds-on favorite. His win wouldn’t necessarily affirm Pence’s political stock — Kemp was already showing double-digit leads — but it would be a nice boost for Pence and his presidential aspirations.

And it’s merely the latest example of Pence carving out some calculated distance from former president Donald Trump. And he’s navigated the potential pitfalls relatively well: Though Trump has criticized the former vice president for not helping him overturn the 2020 election, it hasn’t amounted to the kind of sustained campaign he often launches against his apostates.

Pence has criticized as “un-American” Trump’s plot to have him unilaterally overturn the election — an issue on which, it turns out, Republicans side with Pence. He also went after his party’s “apologists” for Russian President Vladimir Putin after Trump praised Putin’s supposed strategic genius. And now he offers a high-profile endorsement in opposition to Trump.

The RGA invested some $5 million in Georgia, according to a person familiar with the group’s outlays, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details. A parade of Republican governors and luminaries have lined up to protect Kemp. And former vice president Mike Pence, who once served as governor of Indiana, will appear with Kemp on Monday — setting the stage for Pence’s most direct confrontation yet against Trump in the midterms.

The influx of RGA money in Georgia, according to strategists on both sides of the governor’s race, has dealt a devastating blow to Perdue, who has struggled to raise funds to compete.

“This is just not the best use of our money. We would much rather use it just in races against Democrats,” said former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who is the co-chair of a 2022 fundraising arm for the RGA and described the November meeting in Phoenix to The Post. “But it was made necessary because Donald Trump decided on the vendetta tour this year and so we need to make sure we protect these folks who are the objects of his vengeance.”

The clash has brought into focus an extraordinary battle over the future direction of the GOP that extends well beyond Georgia. On one side is an aggrieved former president who retains widespread loyalty in the party from voters. On the other, conservative governors who align with Trump on many issues but have grown tired of his stolen election claims, which post-election audits have shown to be false.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/22/trump-kemp-perdue-georgia/
 
Really get the sense that Trumps grip on the Republican party is fading. After the election I would have guessed he had a 98% chance he would be the nominee in 2024 if he wanted it. Now I would say its only slightly over 50%. Still more likely than not to win in the primaries but not the lock he was a year ago. I feel like a lot of people might turn him off if he costs them the majority in either part of Congress and/or some governorships. I am not watching all the races closely but I would be surprised if Abrams doesn't beat Kemp because many Trump loyalists stay home in the general election.
 
I am still so confused how there is so much voting happening in GA after the great Jim Crow 2.0 "no free snacks" scandal that required an entire all star game be moved from the city

So so so weird
 
Here's a summary of things he's said on various issues.

https://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kasich.htm

Reading through them reinforces the feeling I've always gotten from him, that he has no real principles other than to attempt to be everything to everyone by just adjusting his position to whatever he thinks is moderate on each issue.

Fair enough. Is it true that Trump offered him the #2 position before he offered it to Mike Pence?

Also, at the risk of pissing off some people here (not my intention) I'd have to say the same thing about Rand Paul. I've actually seen him on TV years ago on different shows and he was literally all over the place on many things. IMO the polar opposite of his dad, who like him or not was always consistent on things.
 
Fair enough. Is it true that Trump offered him the #2 position before he offered it to Mike Pence?

Also, at the risk of pissing off some people here (not my intention) I'd have to say the same thing about Rand Paul. I've actually seen him on TV years ago on different shows and he was literally all over the place on many things. IMO the polar opposite of his dad, who like him or not was always consistent on things.

I have no idea on the VP thing. I know Pence settled down a lot of the establishment and religious types, so it seems like he was a good choice.

I'll have to look at what the same site has for Rand. I haven't gotten the same wishy washy feeling from him, but maybe I haven't paid close enough attention.
 
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