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I'm well aware you prefer talk over results

There were results. Wage earning increase and more manufacturing plants/jobs up until the bioweapon.

You know…results. The ones you used to tout in real time praising trumps presidency.
 
I apologize for believing the words straight from his own mouth

Remember that time RDS said that thing? Disqualifying!

It’s the same routine though. Trump has a history of not saying negative things about other adversarial leader and countries in public. And every time he does it it’s just another version of “THIS IS BIG!” for clowns like you.
 
One has a four year history of piece so forgive me if I laugh at your analysis of my position that it’s just based on this simplistic of a decision making process.

You guys love to ignore the amazing thjngs trump accomplished during his term.

Sturg33 says shutting off China would be very painful for Americans and to say I'm communist sympathizer who loves slave labor

Trump says there's no need to be decouple and that China is actually fine.

And surprise surprise you are not phased. A good cult member never is
 
To be clear...

When I take Trump for his word I'm told I can't listen to what he says... look at his record!

Then I point out all the failures in his record and am told "he spoke about the real issues, though... listen to what he says!

It's a total clown show. But cult members will be cult members
 
Sturg33 says shutting off China would be very painful for Americans and to say I'm communist sympathizer who loves slave labor

Trump says there's no need to be decouple and that China is actually fine.

And surprise surprise you are not phased. A good cult member never is

No you have no interest in any form of docoupling because you have a childish interpretation of free markets.

Trump showed a history of being tougher in China than any other president in forty years. But sure let’s just continue to regurgitate the same talking point after he says non negative things about Xi and China in public like he did even before and after he imposed restrictions on China tbst led to wage increases and increase i domestic manufacturing.
 
To be clear...

When I take Trump for his word I'm told I can't listen to what he says... look at his record!

Then I point out all the failures in his record and am told "he spoke about the real issues, though... listen to what he says!

It's a total clown show. But cult members will be cult members

Yes because you highlight failures and ignore all the good you knew was happening in real time. That’s why you’re being a clown. You’re pretending that we werent in an amazing time with trump prior to the bioweapon.
 
The results are what they are. Chinese imports went up during Trumps admin.

He also added $8T in debt (benefits China)

And he says in October of 2023 that there is no need to de couple... they are fine.

Results and rhetoric both horrific
 
The results are what they are. Chinese imports went up during Trumps admin.

He also added $8T in debt (benefits China)

And he says in October of 2023 that there is no need to de couple... they are fine.

Results and rhetoric both horrific

The details are already receding into the mists of history. His tariffs contributed to price increases for appliances and other products. China retaliated by targeting soybeans and other agricultural products. Whereupon Congress appropriated tens of billions of dollars to make good the farmers who were harmed. It could all be justified in theory if we were able to use all of this as leverage to negotiate better trade arrangements with China. But nothing came of it.
 
The details are already receding into the mists of history. His tariffs contributed to price increases for appliances and other products. China retaliated by targeting soybeans and other agricultural products. Whereupon Congress appropriated tens of billions of dollars to make good the farmers who were harmed. It could all be justified in theory if we were able to use all of this as leverage to negotiate better trade arrangements with China. But nothing came of it.

Covid accomplished more for moving supply chains out of China than the most impulsive administration could ever hope to accomplish.
 
Having shopped for appliances before during and after Covid- prices and quality seem unaffected at the consumer level.
 
CPI index for appliances:

2015 -3.4%
2016 -4.4%
2017 -1.0%
2018 4.8%
2019 0.2%
2020 6.4%
2021 6.0%
2022 1.0%
 
Like I said- I’ve been able to secure them for very comparable costs.

When compared to other goods like food, and petroleum based products and autos… the difference isn’t noticeable
 
I have a question. What is more important to the cult

1. Trumps 2015 campaign
2. Trumps 4 year presidency

Secondary question, which of the above should we consider for 2024
 
I know you're reciting the chamber of commerce response here so I'll just leave it at that.

Trump was the toughest president on China in over 40 years and part of that was changing the economics to brining more production domestically which YES increased jobs and we had super low inflation.


When you say toughest on China give me some specific policy examples. I am personally not against decoupling with China but there's a lot of negative consequences that come with that. Prices on goods will go up. Many businesses will lose the huge China market. Without the economic interlocking of the countries the risk of war go way up. We would have little else to threaten them with. One thing I would certainly do is fine China when they ban someone or their products from China because of something they said. I would fine then twice what they cost the person/company and apply it to the debt we owe them.
 
Let's not forget very poorly chosen one told Xi he was 1) doing a marvelous job locking the Uighurs up in re-education camps and 2) doing an even more marvelous job controlling the spread of covid.
 
I predict in two months sturg will come in here with another clip of trump saying nice things about Xi and be OUTRAGED!
 
I predict in two months sturg will come in here with another clip of trump saying nice things about Xi and be OUTRAGED!

He didnt just say nice things about Xi.

He said there's no need to de couple with china... said they could.be fine

It's his own words. That it betrays your previous stances is not my issue.

You're a good cultist, though
 
He didnt just say nice things about Xi.

He said there's no need to de couple with china... said they could.be fine

It's his own words. That it betrays your previous stances is not my issue.

You're a good cultist, though

Outraged! He made public comments like a statesmen like he always has. Outrage! Cultists! Rah!!!
 
Totally! And remember when RDS said that thing that one time? Disqualified!

Yeah he made the traditional neocon position in Russia and you are it up like the cultist you are now. The sturg of theee years ago would be ashamed.
 
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