2025 Around The League Thread

cajunrevenge said:
I dont understand what you dont understand. He gets ground balls and limits homers. You can get away with more baserunners when you do that, Pitching isnt all about movement. Ranger imo is a poor mans Fried.
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he would be a poor mans Soroka when Soroka was good. all of his pitches move and in different directions.. and he tunnels and commands them well. Like Soroka, he will give up hits, but you better string them together if you want to score.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I dont understand what you dont understand. He gets ground balls and limits homers. You can get away with more baserunners when you do that, Pitching isnt all about movement. Ranger imo is a poor mans Fried.
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13th in GB rate since last season. Good but not amazing. For reference, the difference between he and Charlie Morton (ranked 23rd) is only 3.7%. But the difference in Suarez and Framber Valdez (ranked 3rd) is 10.4%.

The HR rate is also strange given his overall mediocre repertoire. Teams should be teeing off on that fastball.
 
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thewupk said:
Nah son. This season, with all the shit going on, has nothing on the WC collapse several years ago. That was fucking brutal and never want to have to watch my team do that again.
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I’d rather my team be relevant and have a winning record. That team won 90 games. I like watching good teams.

But, yes, I agree that I also never want to see something like that again.
 
Suarez is usually over 50% GB. And he throws a lot of pitches. When you face Strider you can sit on one pitch and theres almost a 50% chance you will be right. Hitting is about timing. Yes higher velocity is theoretically harder to hit but changing speeds so hitters cant time your pitches is important too. Thats why a 2 pitch pitcher is so often a reliever. So they dont get multiple at bats against him. Also how the ball looks coming out of the pitchers hand matters a lot. If a pitcher has great stuff but batters can pick up on the pitch coming out of his hand they will hammer it. Do you know why knuckleballs are so effective? Not because it moves so much but because it moves so unpredictably. If it had a ton of movement but was predictable it would be hit to orbit.
 
cajunrevenge said:
If Soroka cut his HR rate in half he would be equivalent to Suarez.
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I think you missed the part where I said when Soroka was good... pre missing leg injury. Soroka as a prospect and in his initial stint as a big leaguer had a ridiculous small HR rate... a ridiculous high GB rate... but his pitches were better than Ranger... Max had an elite curve and a High velo fast ball.. he doesn't compare to Ranger at all.. Ranger and Soroka threw 37 different pitches and they all move in different directions, but nothing is super high velo.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Suarez is usually over 50% GB. And he throws a lot of pitches. When you face Strider you can sit on one pitch and theres almost a 50% chance you will be right. Hitting is about timing. Yes higher velocity is theoretically harder to hit but changing speeds so hitters cant time your pitches is important too. Thats why a 2 pitch pitcher is so often a reliever. So they dont get multiple at bats against him. Also how the ball looks coming out of the pitchers hand matters a lot. If a pitcher has great stuff but batters can pick up on the pitch coming out of his hand they will hammer it. Do you know why knuckleballs are so effective? Not because it moves so much but because it moves so unpredictably. If it had a ton of movement but was predictable it would be hit to orbit.
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None of that refutes what I said. His repertoire is still mostly trash.

If anything, he reminds me of Jose Quintana, who is also getting way better than expected results on a mediocre repertoire.
 
CyYoung31 said:
I’d rather my team be relevant and have a winning record. That team won 90 games. I like watching good teams.

But, yes, I agree that I also never want to see something like that again.
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I know we all enjoy watching good teams. But I still enjoy watching some of my favorite players perform well even in a lost season. Watching a team collapse like that, for me, takes all the joy I had out of that season.
 
thewupk said:
I know we all enjoy watching good teams. But I still enjoy watching some of my favorite players perform well even in a lost season. Watching a team collapse like that, for me, takes all the joy I had out of that season.
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All seasons end with heartbreak unless you win a championship. Just give me as many games that matter in a season for the teams I like.
 
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Carp said:
Add this to the Ken Rosenthal thing and these baseball reporter icons are getting really ornery lately.
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I just can’t believe that any self-respecting journalist actually bought that Chapman story. I mean, it was ultimately a harmless fluff piece, but reporting a likely tongue-in-cheek comment as something that literally happened and then getting in your feelings about it because someone called BS is pathetic.
 
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It makes me fucking sick that this old, unathletic, bought with free agents Phillies team has taken our division the last two years in what was supposed to be the middle of our run. And it’s mostly due to the ridiculous amount of injuries we’ve suffered.

God, I want to take it back from them so bad and see them crumble like all Dombrowski teams do under their own weight.
 
msstate7 said:
All seasons end with heartbreak unless you win a championship. Just give me as many games that matter in a season for the teams.
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You have a really high bar. For me, it's all about the journey and each year is its own story. Sometimes the road is smooth and sometimes the road is rocky.
 
CyYoung31 said:
It makes me fucking sick that this old, unathletic, bought with free agents Phillies team has taken our division the last two years in what was supposed to be the middle of our run. And it’s mostly due to the ridiculous amount of injuries we’ve suffered.

God, I want to take it back from them so bad and see them crumble like all Dombrowski teams do under their own weight.
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They are gonna be in bad shape starting next year. Nola sucks. Wheeler may be done completely, but at the very least it's unlikely he is ever as dominant. Harper seems to be in his decline stage as well. They will need to spend most of their FA budget re-signing their own guys. I don't see them letting Schwarber leave after the season he has had. And they need Suarez now more than ever with the Wheeler injury. They have no other option but to re-sign Realmuto as well, with the catching market being trash. They don't have a ton of talent in the minors either to supplement the big league team.

Honestly, I am more concerned about the Mets going forward if they find some pitching.
 
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