Hudson2
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I agree. AA did fool all of us in the draft by going mainly offense. I think that's probably his plan going forward is to save Ozunas money next year and use Murphy and other guys through the DH spot which is fine with me.
2025 Trade Deadline Thread
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UNCBlue012
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You're underrating the going rate for quality relievers at the deadline. Johnson and Bummer are both quality, and would be pretty valuable if we ate their salaries l.
Murphy only gets moved if it can help the team in 2026.
It's really as simple as that. Other players who are gone after this year are fair game and I'd expect prospect most of them to be moved by the deadline.
cajunrevenge
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Its fine until he goes into another 3 month slump. He was garbage for 1.5 years. Now he is hitting and has good value again and we refuse to capitalize on it.
cajunrevenge
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I would drive Murphy to the airport. Even if you think Murphy is the better player he has 3 years 45 million left after this year. Winn has 1 year of pre-arb left after this year. So a trade would be Murph for 4 years vs Winn for 4 years plus we get an extra 30 million in those first 3 years. Imo filling our biggest need while lowering payroll would be a huge win. At that point we need a SP, Closer, DH, backup catcher, and a quality 4th outfielder with around 70 million to spend before we get to the luxury cap.
zbhargrove
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Murphy is so much more valuable than Winn it’s not even funny.
They're both 3ish WAR players. But Winn is 5 years younger and a lot cheaper. And he plays a more important position. Murphy is not more valuable
zbhargrove
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Playing everyday, Murphy is not a 3 WAR player
Hudson2
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Bob Nightengale of USA Today Sports is reporting that Alex Anthopoulos will be more open to moving some of his former All-Stars this upcoming offseason.
“Atlanta is expected to listen to trade offers for second baseman Ozzie Albies, center fielder Michael Harris and catcher Sean Murphy, but not until this winter. They are letting teams know that DH Marcell Ozuna, closer Raisel Iglesias and reliever Pierce Johnson are all available. Ozuna, who has 10-and-5 rights, can veto any trade.”
“Atlanta is expected to listen to trade offers for second baseman Ozzie Albies, center fielder Michael Harris and catcher Sean Murphy, but not until this winter. They are letting teams know that DH Marcell Ozuna, closer Raisel Iglesias and reliever Pierce Johnson are all available. Ozuna, who has 10-and-5 rights, can veto any trade.”
zbhargrove
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Murphy was a 5.2 fWAR player in 2022 and a 4.9 fWAR player in 2023… 2024 was an obvious outlier due to never getting on track from injury. He is at 2.3 fWAR already this year as a part time player. Calling him a 3 WARish player is just not true.
Winn is an average hitter with great defense at a premium position. Murphy is an above average hitter with great defense at a premium position. If we are trading Murphy I want a possible difference maker. Winn would be an improvement because we have a black hole there but I think he would be a pretty boring addition and we could do better. And if not, I’d rather keep Murphy.
Winn is an average hitter with great defense at a premium position. Murphy is an above average hitter with great defense at a premium position. If we are trading Murphy I want a possible difference maker. Winn would be an improvement because we have a black hole there but I think he would be a pretty boring addition and we could do better. And if not, I’d rather keep Murphy.
Fat fingered that. It's supposed to say 4ish. Both players are 4ish WAR players.
zbhargrove
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I’m personality just not a big Winn fan… maybe it’s my own bias…
Dude, Murphy is 30 and will be 31 years old in October. He is under contract 3/45 after this year.
Winn is 23 and he is also at 2.8 fWAR so far this year. He's at super cheap rates and controllable for 4 more seasons. And SS is universally perceived as much more valuable than C.
He's a lot like a young Swanson. With more upside, imo.
zbhargrove
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I will say he was been much more productive than I thought… I just for some reason can’t get excited about him.
Murphy is a better player right now. For a contending team that needs catcher/offense he's certainly more valuable than Winn.
But for the Braves that's the opposite. The team has their catcher of the future and Winn will be an upgrade offensively and defensivley at a huge position of need.
Not sure what the Cards plan on doing. They are 2.5 GB of the WC and aren't horrible on offense.
But for the Braves that's the opposite. The team has their catcher of the future and Winn will be an upgrade offensively and defensivley at a huge position of need.
Not sure what the Cards plan on doing. They are 2.5 GB of the WC and aren't horrible on offense.
Like I said, a small IL trip for Winn is what we need. The Cards bring up Wetherholt and he beast it out of the gate. Winn becomes expendable.
cajunrevenge
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Good. I certainly hope our players have high value. My problem will be next year when he is batting .156 at the ASB. We have had this guy for 2.5 years and so far we got 1 season(2 halves of different seasons) of good Murphy and 1.5 years of Melvin. Maybe less catching and more DH will help his bat.