4/12 gdt: Lets win

thethe said:
There were issues before the K's started happening. If you swing and miss twice in an AB but walk that is a concern long term to me.
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His swinging strike rate before this 6 at bat stump was 14%

Last year it was 13% where he comfortably sat next to Ohtani, Riley, and Trea Turner.
 
thethe said:
He just never relied on big power so I think his ageing curve looks different - His slg% will go down for sure but I see him as a high avg/obp hitter well into his late 30's.
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Agreed and I think he does go into the HoF and to stick it to Atl will go in like Maddux with no team on his hat.
 
chop2chip said:
His swinging strike rate before this 6 at bat stump was 14%

Last year it was 13% where he comfortably sat next to Ohtani, Riley, and Trea Turner.
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Why are your arbitrary end points any better than mine?

And my premise is that he’s sacrificing contact for power. I’d love it if the Olson last year is what we got moving forward.
 
thethe said:
Why are your arbitrary end points any better than mine?

And my premise is that he’s sacrificing contact for power. I’d love it if the Olson last year is what we got moving forward.
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I’ve long since learned not to rely on the eye test from Jace Peterson’s number one fan.
 
chop2chip said:
I’ve long since learned not to rely on the eye test from Jace Peterson’s number one fan.
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Justin upton wasn’t all that good afterwards either you know!

But my skill set and judgement then and now are slightly different. However, I do deserve a reminder of my own swings and misses.
 
chop2chip said:
So swinging events? Which are highly correlated with plate appearances. Semantics, bro
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Event counts which do not equal one another by a multiple of typically 2-3.5 so it’s quite a difference.
 
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thewupk said:
Players don't have a choice in the matter anymore unless things have changed recently.
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I believe the system is that the player expresses a preference and the Hall of Fame makes a final decision, taking the preference into consideration but not treating it as dispositive.
 
Freddie can have his Dodgers cap. The Braves can have his MVP and World Series seasons.

Feels like a fair trade to me.
 
thethe said:
Event counts which do not equal one another by a multiple of typically 2-3.5 so it’s quite a difference.
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How many swing events are needed to determine if a player has lost the ability to make contact?

Related not - Trea Turner has a 20% swinging strike rate this year which is easily the highest in baseball. He’s also having a great year. Interesting to see.
 
chop2chip said:
How many swing events are needed to determine if a player has lost the ability to make contact?

Related not - Trea Turner has a 20% swinging strike rate this year which is easily the highest in baseball. He’s also having a great year. Interesting to see.
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'Great year'? More like very average for him and its probably directly correlated to the fact he isn't making contact at the rate he has made in the past.

Even more - Here are Turners wRC+/SwStr% starting with his best season:

Season wRC+ SwStr%
2020 159 8.80%
2021 142 10.20%
2022 128 12.80%
2023 97 18.80%


I think one can clearly make the determination that swinging through pitches at a higher rate will result in worse performance. Now it just becomes how long until its a trend as opposed to a short term blip.
 
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It's interesting that you could legitimately say that almost nothing has gone right for the Braves since the start of the season - multiple injuries, the two rookie starters falling flat, the starters in general not playing well, and YET, despite all of this, the team has the best record in the NL.
 
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