He's right though. We are horrible and 4-9 since the miracle start. That's a 50 win pace.
4/26/15 MLB GAME THREAD: Markakis still the MAN leading off
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He's right though. We are horrible and 4-9 since the miracle start. That's a 50 win pace.
Guy is a smart/successful guy and he acts like a little child sometimes.
keithlaw
Playing the Waiting Game
Ignoring the games we've won, we're 0-9. Thats a 0 win pace
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Not much you can complain about hitting. Some of those balls we hit should have left the yard, especially the last one. They hit the ball well today and we still lost because of defense, DEFENSE.
NinersSBChamps
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br> 2015 (Co-Winner)</BR>20
So people still get emotional over these games? Just accept the team stinks and things are easier.
I feel the 4-9 record out of the last 13 is real close to the true talent of this team as constructed. We will lose 100 games.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I want to lose how ever many and in whatever ways it takes to get that moron Fredi fired. I am not sure I can take another year of him. Plus if we're going to lose anyway I'd prefer to tank and get a top five draft pick.
sturg33
I
Well that's not very nice.
When you go parading about wrong people are after 5 games, expect that to be brought back up again.
Also - your top 50 prospect line will live on forever, so I do thank you for that one
Hopefully we hit on it like we did Heyward.
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
Exactly!
Fire Fredi and find our "next" Chipper Jones and were on our way.
Maybe that's why Hart went after Jim Johnson and some of the other hot crap that is on the roster like Callaspo, Cahill, Jaime, and all those other crispy relievers. Even if we play well and have a lead Fredi will still go with some piece of garbage to blow the lead. The starting staff is good so put arguably one of the worst starters in to.
Just hope the plan won't be 1 year to late and guys like Tehran will be toast and youngsters like Peterson confidence will be shook.
Wishful thinking though, as I believe, this organization backs Fredi 100% and the only way he gets fired is if an investigation takes place and he indeed is a disguised Hitler.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I don't get this. Who is the guy in the top 5 that is worth tanking for in this draft? I'm sure someone has the stats, but what is the difference in hit % for top 10, vs top 20?
If we had a chance at a Rodon type, I get it. I just don't see that guy. If there was some stud, right hand hitting, power hitter, RF, with range and cannon, from college who could be up in a year........Nobody like that.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I looked at this for the players drafted from 2000-2005 (6 drafts). In terms of surplus value (dollar value of WAR produced minus salary during the pre-free agency years), the data for players taken from those indicates that a #5 pick is about 25% more valuable than a #10. And a #10 pick is about 25% more valuable than a #20 pick.
About half the players taken around #5 go on to significant major league careers. About a third of those taken at about #10 go to significant careers and about a fifth of those taken around #20 do.
I'm always surprised by the washout rate for draftees and highly rated prospects when I take a look at the numbers. But this is not to say that those picks are not valuable. They are. We would all pay a lot for a lottery ticket with a 20% chance of success.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
that is interesting. Some value to being higher (obvious) but it's not overwhelming. And that data is strait data. Some years you had a Strausberg that everyone knew was going to be a big league pitcher. You had Bryce Harper. What about a year like this year where that guy does not exist?
I think the Braves are up to something. That Cahill trade was about getting more slot money. I think there must be some HS kids they love that they think are hard signs. I think they'll look to go way over slot in some rounds. Maybe go cheap on some picks to go way over on others.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
This reminds me of my Mukaki Rebuild discussion involving the draft. Interesting.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
From what I've read on BA this looks like a below-average draft. We have stockpiled picks, so maybe the Braves have a different view of this year's crop.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
That's why I'm saying they are up to something. I don't think it's just take the best player available at each pick. I think they have a handful of guys and they want to have the money to get those guys. So I don't think it has to do with pick number at all, I think they want enough picks to have the pool to grab and go over slot.
chop2chip
Well-known member
This year's draft it's considered below average, but the 2016 is considered to be pretty good. Kiley McDaniel says there are 5 guys that are legit 1-1 guys so if we can somehow be in that range then we have a chance to get our next Heyward.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
It may be a below-average draft crop, but I always marvel as to how most every draft produces the same number of players who end up being starters/contributors. I think star power is what differentiates drafts in the eyes of the scouts.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
For the six drafts I studied, there was a fair amount of variance in the number of productive major league players produced. I defined a productive player as one who generated total WAR of 5 or higher in their pre-free agency period.
Here are the number of players who met that standard (out of the first 60 taken) in each draft:
2000 7
2001 8
2002 16
2003 12
2004 13
2005 11
So in the best draft (2002) you had twice as good a chance of finding a productive player than the weakest draft (2000).
Here are the number of players who met that standard (out of the first 60 taken) in each draft:
2000 7
2001 8
2002 16
2003 12
2004 13
2005 11
So in the best draft (2002) you had twice as good a chance of finding a productive player than the weakest draft (2000).