5/29/15: GDT - Atlanta Braves @ SF Giants (Folty vs Huddy)
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I'd trade Tehearn before Wood.
You get that vibe when he is on the mound. He is refining his control and command right before our eyes. That stuff is absolutely elite. Even his fastball is moving a bunch now. He snuck in a few 2 seamers inside on the lefties yesterday at 95 just nipping the inside corner. That was a "Holy Crap" moment for me.
Julio could net us more just because his contract is team friendly.
DirkPiggler
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I'm no student of pitching mechanics, but it sure looks like Foltynewicz is throwing hard with very little effort. Contrast that with Wood, who looks like he's using every ounce of energy on every pitch, with many more moving parts.
No one is untouchable, but if I'm a John then F-word is right there with Miller in terms of having to be blown away to even consider a trade. If we need to trade ML ready pitching for an impact bat, I'm dealing Wood before any of the others. Not because he isn't good - when he's on he may be the best we have - but I can't help but think he's going to be using one of our 25% off coupons at Dr. Andrews office before too long.
No one is untouchable, but if I'm a John then F-word is right there with Miller in terms of having to be blown away to even consider a trade. If we need to trade ML ready pitching for an impact bat, I'm dealing Wood before any of the others. Not because he isn't good - when he's on he may be the best we have - but I can't help but think he's going to be using one of our 25% off coupons at Dr. Andrews office before too long.
DirkPiggler
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Agreed on all counts.
I'd trade Wood for a corner outfielder with pop (preferably a RF that could enable us to move Nick the Stick to LF), and make a strong effort to sign Price or Greinke. Some say trade Wood for Lucroy, but I don't like the idea of giving up a valuable LHP for a guy who will only be in the lineup 4 out of every 5 days. We can get by with a defense-first catcher if we get rid of the black hole in LF. With all the young catchers a veteran defensive backstop would probably be our best bet anyway. It seems like one of those is available every offseason for a reasonable price.
nsacpi
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It seems there are two main scenarios for this off-season:
1) Trade one of our pitchers for a corner outfielder/third baseman. Sign a free agent pitcher.
2) Sign a corner outfielder/third baseman.
I prefer option 2 because if you are going to splash the years/dollars on a major signing, I like the risk/reward better with a position player than pitcher.
I suppose there are other options:
3) Sign neither a starter nor an outfielder/third baseman.
4) Sigh both a starter and an outfielder/third baseman. I suppose in this scenario we are going to go for the tier below the top guys and dividing up our resources in the process. I think there is also something to be said for doing this from a risk/reward perspective.
1) Trade one of our pitchers for a corner outfielder/third baseman. Sign a free agent pitcher.
2) Sign a corner outfielder/third baseman.
I prefer option 2 because if you are going to splash the years/dollars on a major signing, I like the risk/reward better with a position player than pitcher.
I suppose there are other options:
3) Sign neither a starter nor an outfielder/third baseman.
4) Sigh both a starter and an outfielder/third baseman. I suppose in this scenario we are going to go for the tier below the top guys and dividing up our resources in the process. I think there is also something to be said for doing this from a risk/reward perspective.
NinersSBChamps
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I'd go option four because that's the most probable thing to happen. We aren't getting a stud no matter the position, so may as well grab some quality players in lieu of the star player that is never signing here.
Heyward
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There isnt much at 3B this winter.
Unless you want a short-term fix like Freese, Aramis or Beltre ( i think he's a FA but not 100 percent sure)
Regarding the outfield, assuming we dont get in on Justin or Heyward, there is Cespedes, Parra, Fowler, Span, Aoki has a club option.
There's alot of good non-aces out there if we go that route: Brett Anderson, Buerhle, Burnett, Fister, Gallarado, Kazmir, Iwakuma, Kennedy, Lackey, Leake.
Also might need to sign a couple veteran bullpen guys given the uncertainy there. Soria, Joba, Clippard, Feliz, Tommy Hunter, Ryan Webb. Some lefties out there also.
If it was me, i'd trade Wood and some other prospects for Lucroy. I'd sign Kazmir as the non-ace SP, sign Beltre, and sign Fowler. And use the rest of the money on shoring up the bullpen.
nsacpi
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Good list of names. If we go option 4, I'd add Zobrist as a second tier free agent who could help us in left or at third. And Lohse to the list of pitchers. I could see us doing something like Zobrist and Buerhle this off-season. Sign em both to a 2 year deal with an option for a third year. It would blend in a couple veteran guys with reputations for strong leadership with a young up and coming group from the farm system.
I agree that there will also be a couple veteran bullpen guys brought in. But those won't be costly.
With respect to catcher, I think Lucroy would break the bank. So we bring in another vet to play the spot for a couple years. I think we just have to accept that catcher is not going to be a position of strength anytime soon (unless we hit the jackpot in the draft).
nsacpi
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I think it is the most realistic option and offers a lot of different possibilities.
Hudson2
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It may just be me but I think they want some star power going into the new stadium. Use Wood to shore up Lf/3b and sign one of the big starters and fix the bullpen. If we wanna make the rotation elite then this is the offseason to do it. The dream would be to sign Upton and a starter.
chop2chip
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It's funny how people are still forgetting about him. I would love signing him. He is going to age well.
I like this plan. The only problem is that even if Lucroy was available (and he's not), there is absolutely no way in the world the Brewers would trade him for Wood straight-up. It would have to be something like Wood, Folty, and another good prospect, at least. I'm not kidding. We got Folty and Ruiz for Evan Gattis, and Lucroy's value is light years ahead of Gattis'.
I would sign Weiters and Beltre, a decent SP, and try to trade something for the OF bat. Then call up Peraza to play 2B, have Peterson be the super utility who can fill in anywhere, and go with Maybin in CF with the possibility of Mallex Smith coming up at some point.
Then you have, say, a rotation of Miller/Teheran/Folty/Kazmir/(Wisler or Banuelos), and your bullpen could have Simmons, Vizcaino, Winkler, and Withrow, and possibly Hursh, which is a good start. You could even keep Grilli around rather than trading him.
That has the makings of a pretty good team.
Lineup:
Peraza
Maybin/Markakis
Wieters
Freeman
Beltre
OF
Markakis/Maybin
Simmons
Bench:
Peterson
Eury Perez
Bethancourt
Cunningham/Terdoslavich
Chris Johnson
Rotation:
Miller
Teheran
Kazmir
Folty
Wisler
Bullpen:
Grilli
Simmons
Vizcaino
Banuelos
Avilan
Withrow
Winkler
ETA: Nevermind, Beltre isn't a FA after this year. Maybe you sign Gordon Beckham if he keeps this up, I don't like Freese. Or maybe you sign an OF like Cespedes and trade pitching for the 3B.
I would like to sign Wieters, though. That is a far easier task than pulling off a trade for somebody like Lucroy.
Heyward
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He'll be 32 if he opts out, if anything i think it might just be so he can get more money from the Dodgers.
I think he'll age well too, but depends on the cost.
5 years, 130 mil with a 6th year option?