5/30 GDT BRAVES HOLIDAY THREAD VS GIANTS (1:10 start)

Oh I have no idea what sort of Mgr Bud Black is. I hope he is more modern thinking, if he isn't, we will be stuck with the same old mindless crap most other teams are.

edit: oh yeah Scioscia sucks. He is awful but is buddy buddy with ownership. He should have been fired years ago with all the talent he had and no rings.
 
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a win is a win right?

we have played better of late. I still reckon we will give 100 losses a run for the money, but i don't think the talk of "historic loss total" is going to end up coming true.
 
bravos4evr said:
a win is a win right?

we have played better of late. I still reckon we will give 100 losses a run for the money, but i don't think the talk of "historic loss total" is going to end up coming true.
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True, but I am concerned over the bullpen usage so far. We are pulling the starters WAY too early IMO, putting a tax onto our bullpen arms. They are going to be gassed before August
 
I agree, no reason to push the panic button when Folty was at 89 pitches..... it's not like it was 2-1 and he was gassed .

I figure that with the additions of Dale Thayer (who we just picked up) and Shae Simmons, we can cycle guys in and out from AAA enough to keep the overall pen fresh.
 
bravos4evr said:
I agree, no reason to push the panic button when Folty was at 89 pitches..... it's not like it was 2-1 and he was gassed .

I figure that with the additions of Dale Thayer (who we just picked up) and Shae Simmons, we can cycle guys in and out from AAA enough to keep the overall pen fresh.
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The pen may very well get overused, but it is helped by being 10-11 guys deep. I know they are not of comparable quality, but rotating a few guys up and down as needed can keep them fresher than they might be if we were counting on 7-8 guys.
 
Listening to Reds radio tonight, Hall of Fame Broadcaster Marty Brennaman said that the Braves are playing much better under Brian Snitker than they ever did under Fredi Gonzalez.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Is there proof Bud Black is a "modern" and "statistical" thinking manager?

For years some on this board have had a hard-on for Scioscia, the guy who has one of the biggest payrolls and gets worse results than Bobby did.
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To me, the descriptors "modern" and "statistical" can be replaced with "clueless about baseball". If you use stats as anything more than a tool, you are misguided, IMO. Give me a manager that understands his players and has baseball instincts. I could honestly care less if he looks at an iPad during the game.
 
KB21 said:
To me, the descriptors "modern" and "statistical" can be replaced with "clueless about baseball". If you use stats as anything more than a tool, you are misguided, IMO. Give me a manager that understands his players and has baseball instincts. I could honestly care less if he looks at an iPad during the game.
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Nah, that's another false dichotomy. Jeff Banister the Rangers manager is as much a players manager as they come and he has great baseball instincts too. But guess what, he is also very much into advanced stats and uses them quite regularly. He was also manager of the year in the AL this past season leading a Rangers team to a division title they had no business winning with all their injuries, etc. Further, I'd argue that he might be the best manager in baseball right now.
 
I did not like taking Folty out at that point. With that said, I have seen Folty cruising before right up until the point that a blooper falls in for a hit or a hit is just out of the reach of a defender, and when that has happened, Folty has a tendency to get mad and start pressing. When he does that, things start to snowball on him.

Brian Snitker has managed this guy both last year at Gwinnett and this year at Gwinnett. He probably has a pretty good feel for Folty's psyche on the mound. It is entirely possible that he saw some things from a body language standpoint as far as his reaction to that bloop single that told him he needed to go ahead and make a move before things snowballed.

The thing with Folty is that he is a big time competitor, and sometimes, those competitive juices get flowing a little too much for his own good. He has to learn how to channel his emotions. He reminds me a lot of a young John Smoltz.

http://sports.myajc.com/john-smoltz-hall-of-fame-tributes/

John was pretty stubborn. He never wanted to (come out of games). He could be losing a game 7-0 in the fourth inning and he wanted to pitch nine. With young arms, you’ve got to protect them as much as you can. When John got behind, if he ever did, I tried to get him out of the ballgame as quick as I could to save down the road.
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Braves1976 said:
Nah, that's another false dichotomy. Jeff Banister the Rangers manager is as much a players manager as they come and he has great baseball instincts too. But guess what, he is also very much into advanced stats and uses them quite regularly. He was also manager of the year in the AL this past season leading a Rangers team to a division title they had no business winning with all their injuries, etc. Further, I'd argue that he might be the best manager in baseball right now.
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That's a stretch based on an assumption made on a small sample size, and I also think it is giving too much credit to the use of stats as a tool as the reason he has been good to this point.

Still, Buck Showalter is the best manager in baseball, and it isn't even close.

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KB21 said:
To me, the descriptors "modern" and "statistical" can be replaced with "clueless about baseball". If you use stats as anything more than a tool, you are misguided, IMO. Give me a manager that understands his players and has baseball instincts. I could honestly care less if he looks at an iPad during the game.
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lol, appeal to ignorance fallacy

I want a manager who works well with his players, motivates them and gets the best out of them, I also want him to know how to make proper on field decisions and doesn't use empty baseball tropes based on nothing more than stupidity, ignorance and "that's the way we always do it" statistics are the way we measure results, don't you want a manager who uses the information he has access to and make the best decisions for the success of the team off of that rather than his "gut?" Most managers are gut managers, and most managers are bad because of it.

Still, Buck Showalter is the best manager in baseball, and it isn't even close.
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hahaha, he is okay, but Maddon beats him all sorts of ways, Buck still does dumb traditional manager moves.
 
Braves1976 said:
Nah, that's another false dichotomy. Jeff Banister the Rangers manager is as much a players manager as they come and he has great baseball instincts too. But guess what, he is also very much into advanced stats and uses them quite regularly. He was also manager of the year in the AL this past season leading a Rangers team to a division title they had no business winning with all their injuries, etc. Further, I'd argue that he might be the best manager in baseball right now.
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"but new numbers are stupid and for nerds and ruin the game " - old man yelling at cloud

:-p
 
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