6/14/15 SUNDAY MINORS FINAL ... 4-hit day for Davidson

smootness said:
There's no way we can move Folty to the pen at this point given what he's flashed at times as a starter. Banuelos and Hursh, sure. But Folty should be given every chance to succeed in the rotation.
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I'd love to see him make it as a starter as well, but what he's "flashed" is that he's extremely hittable when he throws anything other than gas. His WHIP isn't 1.56 because he's walking the world (like our bullpen is) - he's only given up less than 5 hits in 2 of his 9 starts, and he's averaging less than 6 IP per start. If you throw out the one good start he had against the Brewers, he's given up 61 hits in 44.1 IP. If you take the Milwaukee and San Francisco starts (his two good ones) away, he HASN'T allowed less than 5 hits in a start and has given up 56 hits in 37.2 IP. His secondary pitches simply aren't ready for primetime. His overall strike/ball ratio is bad (531/313), and everything he throws other than his fastball is getting clobbered.

We all understand the upside if he can ever develop at least one solid secondary pitch, but he's going to continue to get crushed at this level until he does. You can already see he's lost in his reactions. If they're going to try to continue developing him as a starter, he needs to go back to Gwinnett and throw nothing but offspeed stuff before he loses confidence in himself.
 
Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying it's time to give up the ghost yet. I'm just pointing out that he's been given an extended look and taste, and it's become quite obvious (even to him) what he needs to do if he's ever going to succeed at this level as a starter. It's one thing to tell players this is where we want to see improvement before we call you up and an entirely different one for them to understand how much improvement is needed without being thrown into the fire to see it themselves.

Folty made 4 starts before he was called up and showed improvement, but was still walking ~4 batters every 9 innings. He was getting away with some things down there that he just won't get away with in the majors. He's had a chance to see just how much of a difference there is, and even he won't argue that he still needs LOTS of work. Let him go get that work at Gwinnett now that he's seen firsthand what will happen to him if he doesn't get better.

I personally think the same thing should be done for Wisler and Banuelos - call them up for 8-10 starts so they can see how significant the difference is themselves. This will keep them from "stagnating" in Gwinnett and wondering what else they have to do to get their shots. When they get blown up a few times, they'll have a much better focus when they go back down to finish their development off.
 
yeezus said:
Shreve would really help this BP right now, he's pitching great. If Man-Ban ends up a reliever (likely), that trade looks bad in hindsight IMO.
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Barring injury again, Man-Ban should make it as a starter if given a shot to do so here. I disagree that his upside is only back of the rotation and so do the Braves from what I've read, etc. Further, I could see arguing that it is likely he starts out in the bullpen simply because next season we may not have a spot in the rotation open. So in that case he could go to the bullpen a la Alex Wood for a time. Then maybe join the rotation later if there's an injury or poor performance.
 
nsacpi said:
It surprises me Wren's crew managed to draft him. I guess what they say about blind squirrels is true.
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I wonder how much control Wren had after Hart was brought in last year. We will never know but something to think about.
 
nsacpi said:
Also JS was around, which might explain some of the other good things that happened.
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I know what you are trying to do but JS deserves credit and blame since he was overseeing everythiNg.

But, if you don't think that the power system was changing after Hart was brought on then we will have to disagree on that. Otherwise, why bring him in?
 
thethe said:
I know what you are trying to do but JS deserves credit and blame since he was overseeing everythiNg.

But, if you don't think that the power system was changing after Hart was brought on then we will have to disagree on that. Otherwise, why bring him in?
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Obviously to find players like Davidson that Wren's crew never would have been able to.
 
I think if we are going to focus on pitching that we should break some the young pitchers in as multi inning relievers. Like Folty, let him go 3 innings every 5 days and piggyback him on our worst starter. That gives the rest of the pen 1 out of every 5 games off and let's the pitcher get mug need experience. I would do this with Folty, Wisler, and Banuelos. 3 innings every 5 days.
 
thethe said:
I know what you are trying to do but JS deserves credit and blame since he was overseeing everythiNg.

But, if you don't think that the power system was changing after Hart was brought on then we will have to disagree on that. Otherwise, why bring him in?
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Well, if you subscribe to doubleplusgood rightthink, Frank Wren was hired by Terry McGuirk, and JS had no input on anything Frank Wren did, so you have to give Wren credit for drafting Davidson, no?
 
Julio3000 said:
Well, if you subscribe to doubleplusgood rightthink, Frank Wren was hired by Terry McGuirk, and JS had no input on anything Frank Wren did, so you have to give Wren credit for drafting Davidson, no?
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I thought Frank Wren was that Devil that went down to Georgia. You cannot give the "Devil" any credit, JS and the good old boys club is the best there's ever been! :)
 
Julio3000 said:
Well, if you subscribe to doubleplusgood rightthink, Frank Wren was hired by Terry McGuirk, and JS had no input on anything Frank Wren did, so you have to give Wren credit for drafting Davidson, no?
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Giving credit to a GM for a draft is not a good sign to me anyway. In a properly constructed organization they should have little to do with the sraft.
 
Braves1976 said:
I thought Frank Wren was that Devil that went down to Georgia. You cannot give the "Devil" any credit, JS and the good old boys club is the best there's ever been! :)
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He is not the devil, but my research shows him to be a direct descendent of William Tecumseh Sherman.
 
thethe said:
Giving credit to a GM for a draft is not a good sign to me anyway. In a properly constructed organization they should have little to do with the sraft.
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But Hart has never held the GM title with the Braves so it is kosher to give him credit for drafting Davidson.
 
thethe said:
Giving credit to a GM for a draft is not a good sign to me anyway. In a properly constructed organization they should have little to do with the sraft.
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So the GM doesn't have anything to do with the draft, but Wren ran off the guys who run the draft, but apparently he takes the blame for hiring their lesser replacements, even though he has nothing to do with the draft. Is that right?
 
Julio3000 said:
So the GM doesn't have anything to do with the draft, but Wren ran off the guys who run the draft, but apparently he takes the blame for hiring their lesser replacements, even though he has nothing to do with the draft. Is that right?
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But that's why he is getting criticism. Because he ran off the guys that historically did such a greatnjob.
 
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