Arozarena would be a really good pick up if we could swing it.
6/16 GDT: rays game 3
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Arozarena would be a really good pick up if we could swing it.
Like I said after his first start, Waldrep gives me the Wright vibe. Wright had great stuff he was unable to execute with command.
We will see tomorrow if Waldrep’s stuff is good enough to even worry about tomorrow when the statcast data is available. I’m guessing the FA is good, the split is great, and the slider is passable, but the data will tell us for sure.
We will see tomorrow if Waldrep’s stuff is good enough to even worry about tomorrow when the statcast data is available. I’m guessing the FA is good, the split is great, and the slider is passable, but the data will tell us for sure.
CyYoung31
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Who ****ing cares?
And I can guarantee you Bowman has never been first in anything but the buffet line.
UNCBlue012
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I don't think this is honestly the case, but if it is, AA is a dingus because Hurston VERY clearly wasn't ready. However, AJSS hasn't hurt his case in his six starts, and I think Spencer Schellwnbach has done the same with a respectable 3.86 xERA. His slider and splitter have been elite.
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CrimsonCowboy
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Waldrep didn’t get sent down. Instead, he’s on the IL with elbow inflammation
cajunrevenge
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No because if any of them showed to be a capable starter now they would be too valuable to trade. If we wanted to trade them then best to let them dominate AAA. Our top 3 SP will all have a big innings increase by August and we need to keep them fresh for October. Lopez has already exceeded last year, Fried is very close, and Sale will be at his 2023 total in a couple starts and that's with the extra days of rest.
BabyElle
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Smut language is one thing but profanity is another.....Stop the profanity. You know what the *'s stand for.
CyYoung31
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You’re complaining about someone censoring their language.
BabyElle
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No, I'm not complaining about someone censoring their language...just the opposite. He is not censoring his language. If there are not any rules or guidelines about language then why do posters use ** instead of just saying what they are thinking? This poster has no censors for himself at all. He recently had a post removed because of how vulgar it was.
CyYoung31
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So, you are complaining about someone censoring their language?
BabyElle
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No, I'm complaining because he is not censoring his language. He just says anything he wants without any filter and he's very offensive.......guess he's just expressing his 14 year old mentality.. Is there an 'ignore' feature on this forum. I know many have that feature.
Never mind, I found it.....jseb10 is off to the stockyards where he belongs.
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Nerfherders
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This is as good a place as any to post this. I like keeping track W-L for the team for every starter. It does give insight into how well the team is playing when the designated starters are going, which is what I'm getting to: The Braves are 4-12 in any game not started by Fried, Sale, Lopez, Morton or Strider. They are 35-19 when the projected starters pitched.
They started 26-13, and they went to one of those extra starters 7 times and 3-4. Not great but okay. Since then those extra starters have gone 1-8, and lost seven in a row. The regular starters have gone 12-10.
So the Braves had their last 31 games where they had those AAAA dudes go 9 times. If we had our regular guys go on 5 games rest (not even 5 days), we could had them pitch 3 more games in that span and maybe won 2 of them.
That doesnt seem like much, but if we extrapolate that strategy and result over the remaining 90 games we are throwing away 27 games. That is an entire starter season. The Braves only have a 6 game lead over those 10 middling teams in the middle of the NL WC race, and we can't afford to be doing that with the offense as it stands right now. 3 of those teams are going to end up with 90 wins.
What's the answer? There isn't a great solution, but I think the best one is calling up Elder and letting him go as the 5th starter. Ditch the 6th until we know we are in, then give these guys some rest. At least Elder's proven he can eat innings and get the job done enough to at least be close to .500.
They started 26-13, and they went to one of those extra starters 7 times and 3-4. Not great but okay. Since then those extra starters have gone 1-8, and lost seven in a row. The regular starters have gone 12-10.
So the Braves had their last 31 games where they had those AAAA dudes go 9 times. If we had our regular guys go on 5 games rest (not even 5 days), we could had them pitch 3 more games in that span and maybe won 2 of them.
That doesnt seem like much, but if we extrapolate that strategy and result over the remaining 90 games we are throwing away 27 games. That is an entire starter season. The Braves only have a 6 game lead over those 10 middling teams in the middle of the NL WC race, and we can't afford to be doing that with the offense as it stands right now. 3 of those teams are going to end up with 90 wins.
What's the answer? There isn't a great solution, but I think the best one is calling up Elder and letting him go as the 5th starter. Ditch the 6th until we know we are in, then give these guys some rest. At least Elder's proven he can eat innings and get the job done enough to at least be close to .500.
Only real part I disagree with is 3 of those other teams getting to 90 wins. I mean anything can happen but the Phillies were the top WC team last year at 90 wins. Dbacks and Marlins got in at 84 wins a piece. I see that happening this year as well. After the Braves the NL is very meh.
That being said you are right. The Braves don't really have the offense, right now, to keep those kind of starters out there. Last year they did have that offense and a huge lead so it didn't really matter who was pitching after the top 3.
Elder does make the most sense. I get his ceiling isn't high but he can keep you in a lot of games. Especially with how ****ty most teams are. I know they want Sale and Fried as fresh as possible but like you I'd probablly ride a 5 man rotation through the trade deadline at least. Maybe pick up another arm there to stretch it back out to a 6 man. The slop they are running out there now isn't getting it done.
Eflin still makes the most since in terms of fit, imo. With an 18 million dollar hit in 2025, the Rays surely want to move on from him. We could probably get him essentially free if we ate the entire salary, but I don't know how the luxury tax is affected with this move. Is it pro-rated, like the salary?
Other pitchers I like that fit what AA likes to do:
Sean Manea, 2025 player option.
Nathan Eovaldi, 2025 vesting option
Jon Gray, 1 year left under current contract
Chris Bassit, 1 more year control at 22 million
Jack Flaherty, no control but his contract is super cheap
Nick Pivetta
Even Verlander would be a good pick up if Houston would eat most of his remaining contract this year. And it seems unlikely at this point that he reaches his vesting option of 140 innings pitched.
Other pitchers I like that fit what AA likes to do:
Sean Manea, 2025 player option.
Nathan Eovaldi, 2025 vesting option
Jon Gray, 1 year left under current contract
Chris Bassit, 1 more year control at 22 million
Jack Flaherty, no control but his contract is super cheap
Nick Pivetta
Even Verlander would be a good pick up if Houston would eat most of his remaining contract this year. And it seems unlikely at this point that he reaches his vesting option of 140 innings pitched.