7/9 GDT: Atlanta Braves (42-44) vs. Washington Nationals (51-36)

nsacpi said:
except Prado wasn't over .400 BABIP and 20%+ on the strikeout rate...sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...sometimes its more than a cigar

btw I like what I see from Camargo...but a lot of it is not going to be sustained...see 2016 version of Swanson
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I feel good about joHan having a K rate well below 20. Probably somewhere around 15-16%.
 
Camargo's value is elite defense. If he were a league average hitter, I'd say he's a more valuable player than Swanson.
 
thethe said:
These arguments sounds so much like the Prado ones from a decade ago.
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We get it, pozzies think everyone that comes up and has a good start will be Prado because Prado did it.

All you need is one example and that means it's going to be a trend.

Never mind that Prado never had an inflated BABIP, nor did he have a high K rate. Even though they aren't similar at all, Camargo is exactly like a young Prado!!
 
Why isn't he managing like Game7 today? You basically have a 9 man pen with Jaime Garcia, and you leave in Jackson to face Harper? Braves need to win this game to feel good going into the break.
 
thethe said:
I feel good about joHan having a K rate well below 20. Probably somewhere around 15-16%.
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then we got ourselves quite a player...could happen...his strikeout rate in AA last year was 17% and in AAA this year 15%. It is natural for it to go up some in the majors, but in his minor league career it has been below 20%. Swanson btw was at 19% in AA. Draw your conclusions.
 
WaitingFor2017 said:
Why isn't he managing like Game7 today? You basically have a 9 man pen with Jaime Garcia, and you leave in Jackson to face Harper? Braves need to win this game to feel good going into the break.
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Garcia is still on the team?

According to our expert Braves blogger clv, Garcia was supposed to be traded weeks ago.
 
I wouldn't mind giving Camargo an extended shot at starting. I think he is more of a good super utility player but we need those too. I like having the versatility Camargo and Santana.
 
nsacpi said:
then we got ourselves quite a player...could happen...his strikeout rate in AA last year was 17% and in AAA this year 15%. It is natural for it to go up some in the majors, but in his minor league career it has been below 20%. Swanson btw was at 19% in AA. Draw your conclusions.
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Small sample size and all but I just see a guy that changes his appraoch with two strikes and is able to make contact at a high rate. That K rate is going to drop.
 
WaitingFor2017 said:
Why isn't he managing like Game7 today? You basically have a 9 man pen with Jaime Garcia, and you leave in Jackson to face Harper? Braves need to win this game to feel good going into the break.
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I'm ok with Jackson staying in for Harper and Zimm if Harper gets on. But if they both get on, bring in Brothers or Sam Freeman for Murphy.
 
nsacpi said:
then we got ourselves quite a player...could happen...his strikeout rate in AA last year was 17% and in AAA this year 15%. It is natural for it to go up some in the majors, but in his minor league career it has been below 20%. Swanson btw was at 19% in AA. Draw your conclusions.
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He already drew his conclusions.

Prado was unheralded and become productive.

Camargo is unheralded and has had a productive debut.

Therefore, Camargo = Prado.

What more do you need to know?
 
thethe said:
Small sample size and all but I just see a guy that changes his appraoch with two strikes and is able to make contact at a high rate. That K rate is going to drop.
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I'm actually a bit more bullish on Camargo as a hitter than Swanson. Just pointing out some differences with Prado that strike me as significant.
 
sturg33 said:
Camargo's value is elite defense. If he were a league average hitter, I'd say he's a more valuable player than Swanson.
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Well, to be honest, I'm not sure we can be certain what kind of hitter he is. He had a very good year at Gwinnett with an .850+ OPS before coming up and succeeding. He also turned heads in Spring Training and he's only 23. Granted, yes I understand that the BABIP and the walk and strikeout rates are concerning. But his emergence thus far has been an interesting development.
 
zbhargrove said:
Well, to be honest, I'm not sure we can be certain what kind of hitter he is. He had a very good year at Gwinnett with an .850+ OPS before coming up and succeeding. He also turned heads in Spring Training and he's only 23. Granted, yes I understand that the BABIP and the walk and strikeout rates are concerning. But his emergence thus far has been an interesting development.
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Absolutely. Its been a positive surprise. I just think there are some components of his success that should temper our expectations.
 
I'm not saying trade Dansby right now at all. But sometime next year is Oz is ready and "if" Camargo is still doing this...he is what he is. Play him at third if Adams is gone, but if he isn't ...the guy is too good to be riding the pine. So is Dansby btw, but he has been outplayed. Easiest plan is to trade BP and let Oz stay down, but that's only a temporary solution.
 
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