8/12/2015: MLB Thread Wednesday, Wisler seeking 6th win; Braves seek run(s)
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Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Same basic stats. Closer and 8th-inning guy. Who do you want on the team?
zbhargrove
Well-known member
I think a proven successful closer has way more perceived value than a successful 8th inning guy. There have been tons of cases in the past decade where a devastating setup guy struggles with the pressure when he gets a 9th inning/closer gig. Whether the value is actually significantly more... like you said, maybe not... but I think the perceived value is definitely quite a bit more.
sturg33
I
Well I wouldn't care. Because I think saves are meaningless.
sturg33
I
Yeah I think that's true of the past. But I think teams are smarter now. Additionally, Grilli has proven he can handle either role.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
We've seen tons of great 7th- and 8th-inning guys completely fall to pieces when handed the 9th inning.
sturg33
I
Right... but we've also seen Grilli not fall apart.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
But he is coming off surgery at nearly 40. If the Braves don't make him the closer, most teams will assume it's because they don't think he can handle it.
sturg33
I
What's there to handle? If he's dominating the 8th inning, what's the difference? Unless you think the Achilles injury killed his psyche
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Regardless of what you think about saves or the 9th inning, when the bargaining process comes around teams would use the ex-closer bit against the Braves just like the Braves would use the closer bit in their favor.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Clearly it isn't absolutely meaningless.
sturg33
I
You're saying clearly but there isn't much evidence to support anything.
Jim Johnson got basically nothing for us.
Tapate50
Well-known member
I have no idea how you are quantifying his return by itself, but this is incorrect.
sturg33
I
Well if he is was responsible for any of the non-Olivera side of the trade, then it makes it that much worse
Tapate50
Well-known member
This is complete nonsense.
Paco, Bird, and a first round pick? For a reliever on a one year deal? Any of those CLEARLY out weigh what JJ was worth and its not close.
sturg33
I
Calm down. Either way you slice it Hart got played like a fool. If Johnson was responsible for much of the talent brought back, then he severely undervalued Wood/Peraza. If Johnson wasn't responsible for much, then that was my point...
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I figured that was more what you meant.