8-27-13 GDT: Indians at Braves

gilesfan said:
And BJ has a 0.139 OPS over the last 2 weeks. or .167 over the past week if you want to play with samples.

BJ hitting in 2008 really doesn't mean anything, do it?
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Not to you. But even his 'bad years' since have been leagues beyond what Schafer is capable of.
 
Enscheff said:
The Braves are going to win the division whether BJ or Schafer are in CF. The Braves are going to be paying BJ $15M per year whether he is in the starting lineup or not, so he may as well get some ABs on the off chance he snaps out of it. He certainly won't get better while sitting on the bench.

I would rather have him trying to figure it out in these relatively meaningless games than the beginning of next year when everyone in the division starts over tied for 1st place.
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I'm pretty sure BJ and Schafer will both get plenty of games the rest of the season. I think you have to play both and keep them both sharp going into the post-season. Keep an open mind as to which one will be in better form once we hit playoffs.
 
Dalyn said:
Not to you. But even his 'bad years' since have been leagues beyond what Schafer is capable of.
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I would venture to guess Schafer could put up a .300 OBP or higher (BJ .298 last year, .263 this year). What indication is there that BJ could even replicate his poor last season? Have you seen his swing?
 
gilesfan said:
I would venture to guess Schafer could put up a .300 OBP or higher (BJ .298 last year, .263 this year). What indication is there that BJ could even replicate his poor last season? Have you seen his swing?
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So we are going to determine who is better based off .OBP? Schafer will never have a season as good as Upton's '12, which you called a 'poor' season.
 
Dalyn said:
So we are going to determine who is better based off .OBP? Schafer will never have a season as good as Upton's '12, which you called a 'poor' season.
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So far this season, Schafers season is significantly better than what BJ did last year (in 188 PA; not a great sample). And Schafer doesnt have to replicate what Upton did last year, he just has to be better than him right now.
 
gilesfan said:
So far this season, Schafers season is significantly better than what BJ did last year (in 188 PA; not a great sample). And Schafer doesnt have to replicate what Upton did last year, he just has to be better than him right now.
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Significantly better? That's a joke, right? Upton nearly had a 30/30 season with an OPS+ of 108 (higher than Schafer's current OPS+). And a WAR of over 3 (Schafer's is currently at less than 1).
 
If BJ starts, who leads off, Schafer?

I don't mind the lineup, best we can do at the moment.

Glad Gattis isn't playing, zero patience at the plate.
 
Dalyn said:
Significantly better? That's a joke, right? Upton nearly had a 30/30 season with an OPS+ of 108 (higher than Schafer's current OPS+). And a WAR of over 3 (Schafer's is currently at less than 1).
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Upton had a .246/.298/.454 line with a wOBA of .323. wRC of 108. he played below average defense. Schafer has a line of .270/.353/.405 with a wOBA of .337. wRC of 115. His defense is better than what BJ's was last year (Schafer actually positive in CF as opposed to corners). BJ had a higher WAR bc he had 3.5x the number of at bats.
 
gilesfan said:
Upton had a .246/.298/.454 line with a wOBA of .323. wRC of 108. he played below average defense. Schafer has a line of .270/.353/.405 with a wOBA of .337. wRC of 115. His defense is better than what BJ's was last year (Schafer actually positive in CF as opposed to corners). BJ had a higher WAR bc he had 3.5x the number of at bats.
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It doesn't matter how you try to twist it, the idea that Schafer should be starting over BJ is shortsighted and ignorant. The team is heavily invested in BJ. Barely invested at all in Schafer. BJ wants to play. His brother is a huge part of the team. Risking all that money and team chemistry over less than one bad year is crazy.
 
So basically BJ should play despite being awful bc his brother is on the team and the Braves paid him a lot of money. That should go over well chemistry wise.

I haven't twisted anything.

People on here act like BJ is some stud player. Yes, he was......5 years ago.
 
BJ had over a .900 OPS in September/October of last year (and that was with a .227 BAbip). That is what letting him work out of his slump could get us for the playoffs.
 
gilesfan said:
So basically BJ should play despite being awful bc his brother is on the team and the Braves paid him a lot of money. That should go over well chemistry wise.

I haven't twisted anything.

People on here act like BJ is some stud player. Yes, he was......5 years ago.
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Your investment in a player should DEFINITELY have something to do with whether you let them work through a slump or not. And compared to Schafer, BJ IS a stud player.
 
Enscheff said:
I would rather have him trying to figure it out in these relatively meaningless games than the beginning of next year when everyone in the division starts over tied for 1st place.
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It's almost September....what's left to figure out? Only thing figured out here is the that he is hot garbage and this season is a wash. I wish people showed as much patience in Schafer as they do with BJ.
 
gilesfan said:
Schafer is the better player right now and BJ has shown no indication of any improvement. Just because he makes money and looked good 5 years ago doesn't mean he should be in the lineup while hitting .200. Sorry, .182.
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At least BJ has looked good in his career... Schafer has looked good... never. And this year's tiny streak when he did well before his injury does not count... ridiculously small sample size. And to say BJ was only good 5 years ago is ridiculous even for you. His second half was fantastic last year. Even if he hits .240, his defense and speed make up for it. He's had a tough year. I fully expect him to reverse fortunes with a fresh start next year.
 
Giles has always hated the Upton's and likes to act like he's some huge insider just because he lives close to where they grew up... its all a show.
 
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