8/4 THURSDAY MINORS FINAL: Newcomb officially a hoss again

Hudson2 said:
Awesome start by Newcomb. If he could just repeat his delivery time out. I don't see how he gets it so out of whack. I've seen him a few times and seems to get frustrated easy.
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This is why I have high hopes for him improving his BB rate. When your control struggles are caused by struggling to repeat your delivery it's something that can be worked on. I've made the comparison to Kimbrel a lot. Here are some stats.

In 2009, Kimbrel walked 45 batters in 60 IP in the minors. That's a 6.75 BB/9.

In 2010, Kimbrel walked 51 batters in 76.1 IP across AAA and the majors. That's a 6.01 BB/9.

In 2011, Kimbrel walked 32 batters in 77 IP with Atlanta. That's a 3.74 BB/9.

In 2012, Kimbrel walked just 14 batters in 62.2 IP with Atlanta. That's a 2.01 BB/9.

Kimbrel improved his control dramatically largely due to a more consistent delivery and release point. I'm hoping we see the same from Newcomb.
 
striker42 said:
This is why I have high hopes for him improving his BB rate. When your control struggles are caused by struggling to repeat your delivery it's something that can be worked on. I've made the comparison to Kimbrel a lot. Here are some stats.

In 2009, Kimbrel walked 45 batters in 60 IP in the minors. That's a 6.75 BB/9.

In 2010, Kimbrel walked 51 batters in 76.1 IP across AAA and the majors. That's a 6.01 BB/9.

In 2011, Kimbrel walked 32 batters in 77 IP with Atlanta. That's a 3.74 BB/9.

In 2012, Kimbrel walked just 14 batters in 62.2 IP with Atlanta. That's a 2.01 BB/9.

Kimbrel improved his control dramatically largely due to a more consistent delivery and release point. I'm hoping we see the same from Newcomb.
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And this is why I'll always take a guy with a live arm and control issues over a guy with weak stuff but good control. When you have a live arm and are striking guys out, it's easier to then figure out how to continue that while lowering the walks than it is for a guy with weak stuff to maintain his walk rate while suddenly beginning to strike more guys out.
 
striker42 said:
This is why I have high hopes for him improving his BB rate. When your control struggles are caused by struggling to repeat your delivery it's something that can be worked on. I've made the comparison to Kimbrel a lot. Here are some stats.

In 2009, Kimbrel walked 45 batters in 60 IP in the minors. That's a 6.75 BB/9.

In 2010, Kimbrel walked 51 batters in 76.1 IP across AAA and the majors. That's a 6.01 BB/9.

In 2011, Kimbrel walked 32 batters in 77 IP with Atlanta. That's a 3.74 BB/9.

In 2012, Kimbrel walked just 14 batters in 62.2 IP with Atlanta. That's a 2.01 BB/9.

Kimbrel improved his control dramatically largely due to a more consistent delivery and release point. I'm hoping we see the same from Newcomb.
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It was interesting how Kimbrel's control got much better at the major league level. Same thing is happening with Cabrera, albeit in a small sample size.
 
yeezus said:
It was interesting how Kimbrel's control got much better at the major league level. Same thing is happening with Cabrera, albeit in a small sample size.
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I'm afraid to speak up so quickly, but Cabrera looks incredibly impressive.
 
smootness said:
And this is why I'll always take a guy with a live arm and control issues over a guy with weak stuff but good control. When you have a live arm and are striking guys out, it's easier to then figure out how to continue that while lowering the walks than it is for a guy with weak stuff to maintain his walk rate while suddenly beginning to strike more guys out.
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Agreed. Newcomb and Folty are both really young. Even Mauricio is still in this camp. High floor guys without high ceilings don't give as much chance for a possibly really good MLB team. I think going for stuff early is the way to go. Glad they drafted live HS arms this year, though all three of the top guys seem to already have decent command.
 
Roger McDowell has been a huge part of developing these pitchers at the MLB level. Especially the relief pitchers. The guy is a genius when it comes to helping relief pitchers blossom.
 
jpack1 said:
Roger McDowell has been a huge part of developing these pitchers at the MLB level. Especially the relief pitchers. The guy is a genius when it comes to helping relief pitchers blossom.
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I wouldn't be sad if everyone on the staff was reassigned or replaced except for McDowell after the last game of the season.
 
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