9/3 Braves @ Nats; the Olive Era Continues

goldfly said:
12-33 sice the fredi extension
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Here is a list of people who have more to do with that record than Fredi. I've categorized to make it easier.

Lost:

Grilli

Johnson

Johnson

Johnson

Wood

Avilan

Uribe

Frasor

Banuelos

Never did play well:

Bethancourt

Olivera

Gomes

Bourn

Stopped playing well:

Peterson

Freeman

Maybin

Stopped pitching well:

Teheran

Wisler

Perez

Foltynewicz

Pitched like ****:

Detwiler

Marimon

Marksberry

Jackson

Brigham

Aardvark

McKirahan
 
The Don said:
Fredi maximized the most out of what he had the first few months.

The roster he's working with now is pretty lulzworthy.

Rotation is awful right now because of inexperience, not to mention how lulzworthy this bullpen is too.
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See? If Donald says it, it's so.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Here is a list of people who have more to do with that record than Fredi. I've categorized to make it easier.

Lost:

Grilli

Johnson

Johnson

Johnson

Wood

Avilan

Uribe

Frasor

Banuelos

Never did play well:

Bethancourt

Olivera

Gomes

Bourn

Stopped playing well:

Peterson

Freeman

Maybin

Stopped pitching well:

Teheran

Wisler

Perez

Foltynewicz

Pitched like ****:

Detwiler

Marimon

Marksberry

Jackson

Brigham

Aardvark

McKirahan
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If managers weren't held accountable for results despite injuries, players that didn't play well, players that stopped playing well, pitchers that stopped pitching well, and pitchers that didn't pitch well, no manager would ever be fired.

I don't think fredi should be fired for this year. I just thought it was incredibly dumb to extend him when we did. It wasn't like GMs were lining up to come steal fredi
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Right. It doesn't.

When Matt Wisler is bisecting the plate with 0-2 meatballs and we're playing an International League lineup because they've dealt everybody with a pulse, I'm thinking whoever is managing the club has no shot.
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Isn't the lineup pretty much better than what we expected coming into the season?

Beth/AJ

Freeman

Peterson

Simmons

Olivera (the magical upgrade)

Markakis

Maybin

Swisher (upgrade over Gomes)

This is the lineup that Hart wanted to go to ball with from day one, with actual slight improvements
 
sturg33 said:
Isn't the lineup pretty much better than what we expected coming into the season?

Beth/AJ

Freeman

Peterson

Simmons

Olivera (the magical upgrade)

Markakis

Maybin

Swisher (upgrade over Gomes)

This is the lineup that Hart wanted to go to ball with from day one, with actual slight improvements
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Yeah, that was his easy-girl-at-the-dance lineup. They suck, too.

Doesn't much matter when you're down 9-1 in the third. Every day.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Yeah, that was his easy-girl-at-the-dance lineup. They suck, too.

Doesn't much matter when you're down 9-1 in the third. Every day.
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Agreed. The pitching sucks. But this the same offense that half the board was cheering as a resounding success at the beginning of the year... with addition of Olivera
 
sturg33 said:
Isn't the lineup pretty much better than what we expected coming into the season?

Beth/AJ

Freeman

Peterson

Simmons

Olivera (the magical upgrade)

Markakis

Maybin

Swisher (upgrade over Gomes)

This is the lineup that Hart wanted to go to ball with from day one, with actual slight improvements
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I was thinking that. With Olivera in the majors now, the lineup out there on a nightly basis is close to what we will be running out there next year.

I think the big strategic mistake the front office has made is underestimating how scarce impact bats have become relative to pitching. We should have made every effort to keep one of Heyward or Justin Upton on a long-term basis. If we had done that the outlook for 2016, 2017 and beyond would be much better.
 
sturg33 said:
Agreed. The pitching sucks. But this the same offense that half the board was cheering as a resounding success at the beginning of the year... with addition of Olivera
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We're last in mlb in runs scored. It's not like we're only losing bc of pitching
 
nsacpi said:
I was thinking that. With Olivera in the majors now, the lineup out there on a nightly basis is close to what we will be running out there next year.

I think the big strategic mistake the front office has made is underestimating how scarce impact bats have become relative to pitching. We should have made every effort to keep one of Heyward or Justin Upton on a long-term basis. If we had done that the outlook for 2016, 2017 and beyond would be much better.
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Surely we upgrade catcher, find a rh platoon to pair with jace, and a FA outfielder.
 
msstate7 said:
Surely we upgrade catcher, find a rh platoon to pair with jace, and a FA outfielder.
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Here's what I expect this offseason:

1) AJ brought back to play catcher at about 5M/year

2) Mid-rotation FA starting pitcher signed at 15M/year

3) A couple bench/bullpen pieces signed at 5-10M/year

Total cost 20-25M. This leaves 5-10M of wiggle room for aquisitions in spring training and the regular season. If we are punting we could take on salary in deals like the Bronson Arroyo trade.
 
nsacpi said:
Here's what I expect this offseason:

1) AJ brought back to play catcher at about 5M/year

2) Mid-rotation FA starting pitcher signed at 15M/year

3) A couple bench/bullpen pieces signed at 5-10M/year

Total cost 20-25M. This leaves 5-10M of wiggle room for aquisitions in spring training and the regular season. If we are punting we could take on salary in deals like the Bronson Arroyo trade.
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LOL... I need thethe to assure me we're ready to win it all in 2016
 
Julio3000 said:
Third fewest Ks in MLB! Mission accomplished.

I'm sure being last in runs scored is a fluke and will level out by the end of the year.
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Yeah its unsustainable. We're about to go on a torrid offensive pace and Markakis will end with double digit homers.
 
Olivera been up for 2 games and he never played well???? Give me a break..
GovClintonTyree said:
Here is a list of people who have more to do with that record than Fredi. I've categorized to make it easier.

Lost:
Grilli
Johnson
Johnson
Johnson
Wood
Avilan
Uribe
Frasor
Banuelos

Never did play well:
Bethancourt
Olivera
Gomes
Bourn

Stopped playing well:
Peterson
Freeman
Maybin

Stopped pitching well:
Teheran
Wisler
Perez
Foltynewicz

Pitched like ****:
Detwiler
Marimon
Marksberry
Jackson
Brigham
Aardvark
McKirahan
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gilesfan said:
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/639614821370068992

Its really odd to see the levels that Harper gets pitched around. I can understand it when there was no one behind him in the lineup, but right now he has one of the hottest hitters in baseball hitting behind him and pitchers don't even come close to the plate.
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Harper's a bit of a chucklehead (to an old guy like me anyway), but he is effin' good. I can hardly wait to see the Yankees' OF when Heyward is playing RF and Harper is playing LF.
 
50PoundHead said:
Harper's a bit of a chucklehead (to an old guy like me anyway), but he is effin' good. I can hardly wait to see the Yankees' OF when Heyward is playing RF and Harper is playing LF.
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Harper would put up huge numbers there. Heyward may even hit 20-25 hr's
 
50PoundHead said:
Harper's a bit of a chucklehead (to an old guy like me anyway), but he is effin' good. I can hardly wait to see the Yankees' OF when Heyward is playing RF and Harper is playing LF.
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Who's in center? That is one hell of an OF
 
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