AA's Failure

Reminder that they chose Luke Jackson over Winkler. The list of missteps is a long one, and it doesn’t end with who they did or didn’t acquire.
 
CJ9 said:
Reminder that they chose Luke Jackson over Winkler. The list of missteps is a long one, and it doesn’t end with who they did or didn’t acquire.
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True. Who’s to say Winkler would have done any better though...didn’t have a good spring at all.
 
Enscheff said:
The failure occurred at whatever point early in the off season when AA budgeted for replacements and severely miscalculated how much it would cost to upgrade cOF.

As soon as he splurged on JD and then couldn’t afford Brantley, the Braves went into scramble mode. That scramble resulted in them grabbing Markakis, and trying to add “a guy with a big salary” to make up for it. Holding back payroll for that big salary (probably Myers) forced the Braves to watch all the value BP arms get signed out from underneath them.

As a result, they ended up with no “big salary guy”, no BP additions, and a pretty bad situation in cOF....and a pocket full of cash.

All because they thought they could get someone like Brantley or Cutch for peanuts.
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And then what happens with all that cash? Kinda crappy that they dumped the cost of the new stadium and the Battery on to Cobb County residents via taxes, turn a profit, lie to us about re-investing it into the team, don’t, and then use that money to build more commercial real estate ventures in the Battery. Kind of a dick move to the fans, especially the fans in Cobb County. We ended up footing the bill for the stadium and the Battery and then our team reaps zero benefits from the profits earned from us spending money to support the team. That’s a real Florida Marlins move right there. Way to dick over the fans.
 
tululush said:
And then what happens with all that cash? Kinda crappy that they dumped the cost of the new stadium and the Battery on to Cobb County residents via taxes, turn a profit, lie to us about re-investing it into the team, don’t, and then use that money to build more commercial real estate ventures in the Battery. Kind of a dick move to the fans, especially the fans in Cobb County. We ended up footing the bill for the stadium and the Battery and then our team reaps zero benefits from the profits earned from us spending money to support the team. That’s a real Florida Marlins move right there. Way to dick over the fans.
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Many of us saw this coming from the moment the stadium was announced.
 
tululush said:
And then what happens with all that cash? Kinda crappy that they dumped the cost of the new stadium and the Battery on to Cobb County residents via taxes, turn a profit, lie to us about re-investing it into the team, don’t, and then use that money to build more commercial real estate ventures in the Battery. Kind of a dick move to the fans, especially the fans in Cobb County. We ended up footing the bill for the stadium and the Battery and then our team reaps zero benefits from the profits earned from us spending money to support the team. That’s a real Florida Marlins move right there. Way to dick over the fans.
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There's a fair chance AA and other execs get bigger bonuses by keeping payroll lower and profits larger.
 
striker42 said:
There's a fair chance AA and other execs get bigger bonuses by keeping payroll lower and profits larger.
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I have no doubts. From ownership down to AA they all suck. And lie to us in the process. Damn shame the fans of Atlanta don’t rip them a new one like the New York and Boston fans would. If this continues and we fall flat on our face this season I truly hope they feel the heat from the media and fans and fans start to protest.
 
I essentially predicted this three years ago. The roots of this go all the way back to the "reload" BS from the Johns.

Instead of rebuilding and committing to a 5 year process of building, they rushed through to reach a lucky and unexpected NL East championship (with immediate drubbing out) in 2018. Now, AA has a team too good not to contend but not good enough to really contend and not enough money to fix the problem and prospect capital that, if spent to fix holes, shortens the window into another likely rebuild near term. It's baseball purgatory, just as I predicted.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I essentially predicted this three years ago. The roots of this go all the way back to the "reload" BS from the Johns.

Instead of rebuilding and committing to a 5 year process of building, they rushed through to reach a lucky and unexpected NL East championship (with immediate drubbing out) in 2018. Now, AA has a team too good not to contend but not good enough to really contend and not enough money to fix the problem and prospect capital that, if spent to fix holes, shortens the window into another likely rebuild near term. It's baseball purgatory, just as I predicted.
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Lol, wut.

1. They fully committed to the rebuild. They literally traded all of their Major League talent, minus two players for future assets. I know you have a hard on for trading Freeman, but as has been discussed ad nauseum here, it made sense to keep him and without him we aren’t winning the division last year and likely aren’t in a position to contend this year.

2. AA has nothing to do with what the previous regime did or didn’t do. He wasn’t planning on winning the division last year, nothing has been rushed since he came here. It’s pretty funny to see you claim that, yet everything AA has done during his tenure has been the complete opposite.

3. This team is set up to win 85-95 games for the foreseeable future.That’s not baseball purgatory. That’s called contending. Purgatory is what the Giants and Mets are doing right now. That means it was a successful rebuild, even if there were missteps along the way.
 
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CyYoung31 said:
Lol, wut.

1. They fully committed to the rebuild. They literally traded all of their Major League talent, minus two players for future assets. I know you have a hard on for trading Freeman, but as has been discussed ad nauseum here, it made sense to keep him and without him we aren’t winning the division last year and likely aren’t in a position to contend this year.

2. AA has nothing to do with what the previous regime did or didn’t do. He wasn’t planning on winning the division last year, nothing has been rushed since he came here. It’s pretty funny to see you claim that, yet everything AA has done during his tenure has been the complete opposite.

3. This team is set up to win 85-95 games for the foreseeable future.That’s not baseball purgatory. That’s called contending. Purgatory is what the Giants and Mets are doing right now. That means it was a successful rebuild, even if there were missteps along the way.
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Those who have no vision are doomed to remain blind.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Heed your words, for it may be the only thing you've ever been right about.
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you're opinion.

You aren't objective and are wrong pretty much across the board. But you don't see it and worse, refuse to consider it as even possible.

1. They never committed to a rebuild. Yes, they did trade away several of their better players but attached dead contracts (that they gave in the first place) weakening the return, even though those contracts would have run their course by the end of the rebuild. They hurt the rebuild to move their mistakes. They also traded for win-now players, several of which blew up in their faces.

They committed to what they said they were doing which was a reload...but without the money to do it, so it collapsed into a rebuild which was foreshortened.

2. I have no idea what you are talking about here. I never said AA was tied to the previous regime EXCEPT in having to live with the results of previous decisions, especially regarding payroll and the fact that the previous regime hurried the rebuild setting the team up to be good enough to pretend contend which boxed AA in - he can't go back, he doesn't have the cash to go forward so all he can do is let it ride which burns valuable control time on players who will get old and expensive at an inopportune time.

3. This team isn't an 85-95 win team. It's a maybe .500 team with 85 being a ceiling not a floor. The lucky happenstance of last year doesn't mean that this year the Braves will benefit from the same breaks.
 
This isn't a second guess, but I would have kept Burrows over Jackson, easy.
 
We are now counting on two rookie starters to avoid a sweep. Prospects gotta grow sometime.
 
Does Jackson have a relative or in-law on the current 25 that we don't know about?

Our bullpen and rotation wouldn't be that bad if the injuries to Foltz and Gaus didn't come out of nowhere. Because Wilson or Wright would have slotted in as long men/mop up instead of Carle and Luke.

The Sam Freeman release still baffles me a bit. Venters arm could be a question mark again, and Freeman was durable just overused by Snitkers.
 
Julio3000 said:
I think AA is good, and the bullpen will be fine when things shake out a bit. It’s certainly fine to wonder why we didn’t pick up a cheap piece or two there, though.

My ire is reserved for ownership, who seems to have the fanbase on a constant bait-and-switch hook for when we’re going to be a top-third payroll.
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Exactly!!!
People blaming AA aren’t seeing the big picture.
This team made a ton of money last season and instead of putting some back into the team they decided to pay down debt.This year was punted with the expectation that we would be a solid above 500ish club that would still attract people to Suntrust and the battery but not good enough to be a true World Series contender and they could always fallback on the company line of we are a year ahead of schedule and we aren’t tied down with any long term contracts that could blah blah blah...
If they were more transparent and upfront about it maybe it would be easier to get behind but they are still standing by the “ we have plenty of money in reserve line of BS”.
It’s amazing how much of our fan base believes anything they say, when history has shown they are in this for the portfolio and money.
I like the front office approach of trusting our young guys in the starting rotation and riding out the injuries until our vets come back and not spending our money in free agency on a vet starter but not adding anything to the pen was beyond stupid.As much as the Braves love to have “value” and flexibility you’d figure they wouldn’t mind signing a couple vets for the bullpen on short deals this offseason instead of having some of the AAAA filler we are stuck with.
 
Individual-1 said:
Does Jackson have a relative or in-law on the current 25 that we don't know about?

Our bullpen and rotation wouldn't be that bad if the injuries to Foltz and Gaus didn't come out of nowhere. Because Wilson or Wright would have slotted in as long men/mop up instead of Carle and Luke.

The Sam Freeman release still baffles me a bit. Venters arm could be a question mark again, and Freeman was durable just overused by Snitkers.
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Those photos that Keith Lockhart had of Terry McGuirk have been duly passed along.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
you're opinion.

You aren't objective and are wrong pretty much across the board. But you don't see it and worse, refuse to consider it as even possible.

1. They never committed to a rebuild. Yes, they did trade away several of their better players but attached dead contracts (that they gave in the first place) weakening the return, even though those contracts would have run their course by the end of the rebuild. They hurt the rebuild to move their mistakes. They also traded for win-now players, several of which blew up in their faces.

They committed to what they said they were doing which was a reload...but without the money to do it, so it collapsed into a rebuild which was foreshortened.

2. I have no idea what you are talking about here. I never said AA was tied to the previous regime EXCEPT in having to live with the results of previous decisions, especially regarding payroll and the fact that the previous regime hurried the rebuild setting the team up to be good enough to pretend contend which boxed AA in - he can't go back, he doesn't have the cash to go forward so all he can do is let it ride which burns valuable control time on players who will get old and expensive at an inopportune time.

3. This team isn't an 85-95 win team. It's a maybe .500 team with 85 being a ceiling not a floor. The lucky happenstance of last year doesn't mean that this year the Braves will benefit from the same breaks.
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And you suffer from severe confirmation bias. Whereas I observe results and facts and draw conclusions based off them as they reveal themselves, you choose to die on your “Freeman should be traded” hill. I’m so glad you’ve decided how right your were all along 1 game into a division title defense season. Who’s the non-objective one again?
 
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